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L Dude 7 Jul 12, 2008 11:30 pm

Arrive before you leave
 
What scheduled flights arrive at a time before they depart (via the magic of time change.)

I can think of some like SBN-ORD that do it by flying a short distance across a time zone boundary.

Then there are plenty of Eastbound flights that cross the international dateline.

Are there any westbound flights that cross multiple time zones to arrive 'before' departure?

Princess1 Jul 12, 2008 11:53 pm

When I flew from Seoul many moons ago I landed before I departed.

merrickdb Jul 13, 2008 12:10 am

Some of the flights from Auckland and Sydney land the day before they depart. TN's SYD-PPT and AKL-PPT services and NZ's AKL-APW (DJ's SYD-APW leaves late enough from SYD to arrive at 1:20 a.m. the same day into APW) flights come to mind, but there are others to Pacific islands. The former AC SYD-HNL flight also landed the day before it departed.

-m

PTravel Jul 13, 2008 12:10 am

I've done Hong Kong/LA and Beijing/LA a number of times where we've arrived before we left.

Mr. Vker Jul 13, 2008 12:13 am

I think the OP is looking for WESTBOUND flights that land before taking off.

I cannot think of any-only eastbound.

RichardInSF Jul 13, 2008 12:14 am

The westbound flights you ask about would have to be far enough north or south on the earth so that timezones are less than a jet can fly in an hour (and the the jetstream would likely make it worse!). I tried Greenland and in an admittedly inexhaustive effort, couldn't find anything. Anyone else got any other ideas?

Mr. Vker Jul 13, 2008 12:17 am


Originally Posted by RichardInSF (Post 10025227)
The westbound flights you ask about would have to be far enough north or south on the earth so that timezones are less than a jet can fly in an hour (and the the jetstream would likely make it worse!). I tried Greenland and in an admittedly inexhaustive effort, couldn't find anything. Anyone else got any other ideas?

No, but I saw Ann Curry on the Today Show run around the South Pole earlier this year. All 24 zones in about 5 seconds, so I get the idea.

flyinbob Jul 13, 2008 12:41 am

Maybe not what you had in mind, but I've done DTW-ORD and arrived a few minutes before departure. :)

Mr. Vker Jul 13, 2008 12:56 am


Originally Posted by RichardInSF (Post 10025227)
The westbound flights you ask about would have to be far enough north or south on the earth so that timezones are less than a jet can fly in an hour (and the the jetstream would likely make it worse!). I tried Greenland and in an admittedly inexhaustive effort, couldn't find anything. Anyone else got any other ideas?

I found one. Its a short flight across one time zone, so it doesn't involve several zones.

phx-las during standard time. SWA puts it as 1 hour gate to gate (but no elapsed time), so you must land before take off.

TiggBro Jul 13, 2008 1:00 am

I tend to drive it instead of fly it, but flights from Atlanta to Birmingham arrives in under an hour, with a time zone change in there.

ionlyflyupfront Jul 13, 2008 1:27 am

Taipei SFO 14 hrs on the plane and you get there before you left

szg Jul 13, 2008 1:33 am


Originally Posted by merrickdb (Post 10025216)
Some of the flights from Auckland and Sydney land the day before they depart.


Also AKL-PPT works fine !!

francophile Jul 13, 2008 1:59 am

AY 641
1 August
HEL 13:30
ARN 13:25



SK 733
1 August
LED 17:20
ARN 16:45


TP 765
1 August
SVQ 13:00
LIS 12:55

FlyingOnceMore Jul 13, 2008 2:15 am

Plenty of flights, that go back one timezone usually (non peak hours anyway) involve landing before you took off. AMS/BRU/CDG-LHR for example. Of course, by gate to gate airline timetable they're not.

Per the OP's request of westbound covering multiple timezones, I can't think of any current flights. Besides Concorde, all I can think of, historically, was back in the 80's when Europe to Japan used to involve routing via ANC and I seem to remember some of those arrived there for refuelling before takeoff time with the -9/-10 hours time difference.

francophile Jul 13, 2008 2:31 am

On the other side of the Atlantic....
 
UA 7217
1 August
SBN 5:35
ORD 5:20


LA 931
1 December
MDZ 13:00
SCL 12:55

Pat89339 Jul 13, 2008 3:22 am


Originally Posted by Mr. Vker (Post 10025282)
I found one. Its a short flight across one time zone, so it doesn't involve several zones.

LAS-LAX during standard time. SWA puts it as 1 hour gate to gate (but no elapsed time), so you must land before take off.

:confused: LAS (Las Vegas, Nevada) and LAX (Los Angeles, California) are both in the same time zone--Pacific.

PJK Jul 13, 2008 4:05 am


Originally Posted by Mr. Vker (Post 10025222)
I think the OP is looking for WESTBOUND flights that land before taking off.

I cannot think of any-only eastbound.

I once flew NAN-HNL only to find out on arrival that my hotelroom reservation was for the next day. I had left on saturdaynight and arrived on saturday morning...

JayhawkCO Jul 13, 2008 10:26 am

China Southern flight from Urumqi to Almaty, Kazakhstan leaves at 18:40 and arrives at 18:20, with a flight time of 1:40, so this spans two timezones. Do I get a prize? ;)

Chris

JayhawkCO Jul 13, 2008 10:35 am

Also, Aeroflot-Nord offers a flight from Murmansk, Russia to Tromso, Norway that takes two hours and arrives at the same time as it departs. :D

Chris

JayhawkCO Jul 13, 2008 10:39 am

Man, I'm on a roll now. Wideroe Airlines flies from Murmansk, Russia to Kirkenes, Norway, departing at 16:35 and arriving at 15:20, for a 45 minute flight, changing two time zones.

Chris

JayhawkCO Jul 13, 2008 10:49 am

Saved the best for last. China Southern flies from Vladivostok, Russia to Harbin, China in 1 hour, surpassing 3 time zones.

Depart: 20:30
Arrive: 18:30

And I retire.:D

Chris

Mr. Vker Jul 13, 2008 10:51 am


Originally Posted by Pat89339 (Post 10025470)
:confused: LAS (Las Vegas, Nevada) and LAX (Los Angeles, California) are both in the same time zone--Pacific.

I was up too late. I meant PHX-LAS.

FlyingOnceMore Jul 13, 2008 11:11 am

Another one, LXA (Lhasa) - KTM (Kathmandu) depart 11:00, arrives 10:00 travelling from GMT+8 to GMT+5:45 with a flight time of 1:15.

deubster Jul 13, 2008 5:25 pm

UA 7217 leaves South Bend (SBN) at 5:35A, arrives in ORD at 5:20.

PTravel Jul 13, 2008 5:44 pm

Along those lines, I recall reading about the FA who was trying to explain to a naive passenger how it was possible to arrive before you leave. The FA patiently explained about time zones and the rotation of the earth, however the passenger just wasn't getting it. Finally, the FA said, "we go really fast!" The passenger said, "oh," and returned to combing through the Skymall catalogue for "must haves." :)

FlyingOnceMore Jul 13, 2008 5:53 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 10028235)
The FA patiently explained about time zones and the rotation of the earth, however the passenger just wasn't getting it.

Must have been my father. I've had more grazes on my forehead......... from banging it on walls, than I can remember ! :D

Rejuvenated Jul 13, 2008 10:17 pm

CX836 HKG-YVR. Departs HKG around midnight and then arrives YVR the evening on the day before departure.

Finite Elephant Jul 14, 2008 2:58 pm

Pretty much any flight from the western pacific and Asia to HNL does this.

ICN-ORD comes close -- depending on time of year, the flight only takes about 40 minutes!:D

JumboJetLA Jul 14, 2008 3:58 pm

I did the SIN-LAX on stop on SQ in 2006.. departed a bit late like 5:00PM and arrived early at 3:45 the same day

Also I think we had a serious tail wind too..

also remember pretty strong turbulance over Japan- to the point it woke me up and being from CA i thought it was an earthquake ..woke up all confused and searching for my desk to get under then realized where I was.. and went back to sleep and enjoyed the movement

Loren Pechtel Jul 14, 2008 4:31 pm


Originally Posted by L Dude 7 (Post 10025160)
What scheduled flights arrive at a time before they depart (via the magic of time change.)

I can think of some like SBN-ORD that do it by flying a short distance across a time zone boundary.

Then there are plenty of Eastbound flights that cross the international dateline.

Are there any westbound flights that cross multiple time zones to arrive 'before' departure?

I've had that happen every time I fly from China to the US (west coast.)

A westbound flight couldn't do it unless it was pretty close to a pole.

Loren Pechtel Jul 14, 2008 4:33 pm


Originally Posted by Mr. Vker (Post 10025282)
I found one. Its a short flight across one time zone, so it doesn't involve several zones.

phx-las during standard time. SWA puts it as 1 hour gate to gate (but no elapsed time), so you must land before take off.

Yeah, I've had that happen once. 45 minute jump that crossed a time zone.


It occurs to me one other place you probably could do it. Fly out of western China to someplace nearby. China is all on one time zone, any short hop from a city on the western edge is going to pick up several hours.

Loren Pechtel Jul 14, 2008 4:36 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 10028235)
Along those lines, I recall reading about the FA who was trying to explain to a naive passenger how it was possible to arrive before you leave. The FA patiently explained about time zones and the rotation of the earth, however the passenger just wasn't getting it. Finally, the FA said, "we go really fast!" The passenger said, "oh," and returned to combing through the Skymall catalogue for "must haves." :)

I tried to explain it to somebody at United's website some time ago and they couldn't get it!

I was trying to use the multi-city routing tool on a flight whose first leg was a transpac. The engine would not allow me to specify a departure time for the second flight earlier than the first flight. I was pointing this out as a flaw in the system and they couldn't understand that anything was wrong.

BLI-Flyer Jul 14, 2008 4:37 pm

How about arriving the same time you leave? WN 3316 leaves LBB (Lubbock, TX) at 9:20 a.m. and arrives in ELP (El Paso, TX) at 9:20 a.m.

ralfp Jul 14, 2008 4:40 pm


Originally Posted by Finite Elephant (Post 10033089)
Pretty much any flight from the western pacific and Asia to HNL does this.

ICN-ORD comes close -- depending on time of year, the flight only takes about 40 minutes!:D

I was once told by a GA in ORD that I was among the last to check in for a flight to HPN, so I'd be given lower priority (weather cancellation). I had checked in at 5pm or so, this happened around 5pm. I had to explain to her that I had checked in ~12 hours before in NGO.

alcathiax Jul 14, 2008 7:09 pm


Originally Posted by BLI-Flyer (Post 10033595)
How about arriving the same time you leave? WN 3316 leaves LBB (Lubbock, TX) at 9:20 a.m. and arrives in ELP (El Paso, TX) at 9:20 a.m.

This reminds me of a flight that I took from PHX-ELP last October on US. The departure was set for 9:45pm but due to mx we were delayed to 11:00pm. Even though the flight is scheduled for 1h20m, the pilot apparently pushed the 737-400 so hard that we really hauled [rear end] to ELP in a scant 45 minutes (that's from takeoff in PHX to wheels down in ELP).

HIDDY Jul 14, 2008 7:30 pm

The new SYD-EZE service which starts this November has a very unusual departure /arrival time;

Qantas Airways

Flights 17 Departs: 10:35 Kingsford Smith (SYD)
Arrives: 10:35 Ministro Pistarini (EZE)

Spent_All_My_Miles Jul 14, 2008 7:42 pm

I once flew four flights, all of which took off on a Tuesday.

One took off and landed in the morning on Tuesday.
The other three took off at night. Of those, one landed on Monday, one on Tuesday, and one on Wednesday.

Sprocket Jul 15, 2008 2:59 pm

Last year I flew SYD-HNL-YVR and landed in YVR at the exact same time and day (to the minute) as we left SYD.


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