G forces in a commercial aircraft?
I've always wondered . . . we all feel that initial thrust on take off that pushes us back into our seats and, also, occasionally, we'll feel positive and negative g-forces as planes bank, climb and descend (I'm not talking about turbulence -- just normal flight operations). Does anyone know how many g's a passenger will "pull" during typical flight conditions? I suspect it's not very much, but I've always been curious.
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Originally Posted by PTravel
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Does anyone know how many g's a passenger will "pull" during typical flight conditions? I suspect it's not very much, but I've always been curious.
gumpfs, FTer and UA pilot, says 1.5-2 tops, and even that is rare. |
The g-force due to banking is only about 1.2 g at 30 degrees. That's hardly enough to notice. It does go up quite a bit at steeper angles, but then that would not be normal.
Interesting that the banking g-force is always perpendicular to the floor. So your drink shouldn't spill during banking. |
Originally Posted by Bobster
(Post 9546017)
The g-force due to banking is only about 1.2 g at 30 degrees. That's hardly enough to notice. It does go up quite a bit at steeper angles, but then that would not be normal.
Interesting that the banking g-force is always perpendicular to the floor. So your drink shouldn't spill during banking. |
I just found a fairly definitive answer on a.net. Typcially the limit would be 0.75 to 1.25 g.
How Many G's Are Usually Pulled In A Civil Flight? A g-force around 2 or 2.5 is pushing the limit of the airframe. |
Originally Posted by Bobster
(Post 9546017)
Interesting that the banking g-force is always perpendicular to the floor. So your drink shouldn't spill during banking.
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Originally Posted by Zarf4
(Post 9546155)
I believe this is correct for a coordinated turn (proper application of rudder input in relation to ailerons.)
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Go to youtube and search for "stopped engine aerobatics" (I don't know how to link to it)
That Bob Hoover is amazing! Perfect 1g barrel roll.. while pouring iced tea into a glass.....in a twin job.. with the engines shut down.......:eek::eek: Had a ride in an A4T many years ago... pilot said we hit 6g.... That was MORE than enough for me..... |
I've had the rather interesting experiences of pulling 5Gs in a human centrifuge, and 2Gs (and 0!) in a parabolic flight, both within about a week of each other. I noticed that after those two experiences I became much more sensitive to the subtle changes in G forces that take place over the course of a normal flight, and my crappy estimating skills would peg the max I've felt in a commercial flight at about 1.25-1.4G
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Originally Posted by trooper
(Post 9546525)
Go to youtube and search for "stopped engine aerobatics" (I don't know how to link to it)
That Bob Hoover is amazing! Perfect 1g barrel roll.. while pouring iced tea into a glass.....in a twin job.. with the engines shut down.......:eek::eek: |
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Originally Posted by The Bees Knees
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... Here is the link...
Thanks for posting. |
Originally Posted by Bobster
(Post 9546280)
Airliners turn with aileron only. No rudder. Technically, this may be "uncoordinated," but it's done this way to keep the g-force perpendicular to the floor so drinks don't spill and PAX don't sway from side to side.
The airplane turns because it is in a bank and a portion of the lift is in the horizontal direction. That horizontal component of lift is what causes the airplane to turn. The ailerons are used to roll into, and out of, banks. Since the ailerons work by increasing the lift from one wing, and decreasing the lift from the other wing, the amount of drag produced by the two wings in not equal. (You produce more drag when you produce more lift) This has the tendency to yaw the aircraft in the direction opposite of the roll. Rudder is used to counter this adverse yaw and maintain coordinated flight. The coordinated use of rudder and aileron is always the goal. With the relative slow roll rates used in airline flights the amount of adverse yaw is quite low and can be countered with very slight applications of rudder. Much of the required rudder application at slow roll rates comes from the yaw damper which is part of the autoflight system. |
Originally Posted by LarryJ
(Post 9551428)
That horizontal component of lift is what causes the airplane to turn.
Or at least that's how William Langewiesche explains it in his article called "The Turn" published by Atlantic Monthly and also in his book "Inside the Sky: A Meditation on Flight." I don't believe he mentions the rudder at all, but it's not intended to be a complete explanation of all the physics involved. That's why I disregarded the rudder as being too minor to mention compared the other forces that are being generated. Perhaps Langewiesche meant to say "tail fin and rudder" but he didn't state it that way. That implies to me the rudder is hardly worth mentioning in a simplified explanation for the layman. But I could be wrong. |
The rudder is used to counter adverse yaw which comes from the inequal drag from the wings due to the inequal lift produced while the airplane is rolling. Since the entire lift vector is not directly opposing weight, the total lift vector must be increased to maintain level flight. The larger lift vector produces the higher g-load.
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