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I think the key distinction - already mentioned above - is between those pax who grab the seat and give it a big tug vs those who just touch it lightly to steady themselves. If the pax who use my seatback seem to be taking into account the fact that there is actually a human being (sometimes a sleeping one) in the seat, I usually won't object to a light touch to assist with balance. A quick and simple "sorry" can go a long way in this regard. It's just that some pax simply manhandle the thing, which makes you wonder....
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Originally Posted by WetCoaster
(Post 9247389)
Pet peeve #1 on any flight: I'm taking a nap, reading a book or otherwise concentrating on something, and some neanderthalic troglodyte tromps down the aisle and uses my headrest as a support for his or her ungainly weight. This causes my chair to catapult my head forward. I hate the headrest grab! **Qualifier, I understand the elderly or other people who for some reason must reach forward and cannot use their own seat for balance while getting up or down. I also always assume that the person has a good reason, although it is obvious that some people just don't realize that it is annoying.** |
Originally Posted by Fornebufox
(Post 9269939)
Who is going to go to that trouble just to avoid grabbing the seatback in front of them?
The one time I flew Jet Blue I particularly appreciate the channel in the molded plastic frame just below the overhead bins -- it made an easy-grip hand-hold for standing up. Why can't more airlines incorporate thoughtful design features like that which increase passenger comfort at minimal cost? |
another point of view
It's a reality of air travel that they can't place handrails in the aisles.
I suspect many people have trouble walking/standing on an aircraft. Bad hips or knees aren't only found in seniors. I've had a poor sense of balance lifelong, and on top of it, it isn't unknown for me to be motion sick or otherwise mildly disoriented. I wouldn't be able to debate this with you nor would I feel obliged to kiss your **** because you became irrationally angry and started throwing threats around. I would just have to keep on walking to take care of business. And then report the eye-gouging threat to the crew. That's assault in some states and it should be. Based on your own description, you spoke up in an ugly, boorish fashion and put yourself in the wrong, even if you did have a legitimate complaint to start with -- which I kind of doubt. Since the man needed to grab hold of every headrest as he passed, it seems obvious that he was having trouble walking without support. I sit in the aisle every time, and I really can't say that I'm bothered by this. It's more disruptive to my sleep and peace of mind when somebody takes a loud, noisy fall or stumble. But expecting me to "apologize profusely" when you come out blasting and I'm ill or in pain, that's rude, crude, and socially unacceptable in my book. I hope you don't really make as bad of a first impression as you do in your post. There is probably not a super polite way to tell people on a moving aircraft that they're supposed to all be ballerinas and tightrope walkers. I think you have unrealistic expectations and bad manners. My suggestion is: select a window seat and/or look at what's wrong with you that you resent someone trying to steady themselves. What do you want them to grab hold of? The headrest is the only option that doesn't involve stumbling or grabbing onto some stranger's arm. You are not Dr. Freud nor do you have X-ray vision. You have no right to assume that someone is seeking to steady themselves because they're a "self-important blowhard." People steady themselves because they have to. Not because they want to. I would have been embarrassed to post a report on myself where I admitted to threatening to gouge out another traveler's eyes. Do you really think your mom is proud of you today?
Originally Posted by WetCoaster
(Post 9247871)
Thanks for the welcome!
If you've had this done to you before, is there anything you do to stop it? Is there a "recommended course of action"? Or should I simply continue to confront the offenders and let them know that they're not invited to support their fat backsides by yanking on my headrest? I intend to modify my approach of course. A senior citizen with problems walking or standing gets a free pass. Someone who apologizes profusely when they realize what they've done is forgiven. A self-entitled blowhard who can't be bothered to support his or her own weight gets an earful of flaming bile. |
Well, I'm not overweight, and I have similar problems in coach. I think we all have different inner ears and different abilities to maintain balance without a handrail. I understand that I have a poorer sense of balance than average. It doesn't give the OP the right to threaten to gouge out my eyes. I wish the other passenger had reported him. That kind of extreme threat, given the minor provocation, doesn't seem normal to me.
Originally Posted by Green Dragon
(Post 9252051)
Actually, in coach, I cannot stand up straight while in front of my seat, due to the closeness of the seat in front of me. As I am overweight, in order to get myself upright it IS very difficult to do it with just the armrests - they are too low. I'm still half-crouched and not yet balanced to stand by the time I can't use them anymore on the way up. So yes, it is sometimes necessary to use some thing else. I try to use my own backrest instead - if I can twist myself around to do so - or the wall of the airplane. Then I have to get out without falling backwards - also fun, as my center of gravity is about 5 inches off from where my feet are. I do apologize if I have to touch the seat in front of me, of course, but sometimes I must or I'll fall.
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Well, you clearly have a good sense of balance. Because if you didn't, you would understand that if your balance is unsteady, often a "light touch" isn't enough to make you feel secure. You do have to grab on or you're going to stumble.
Originally Posted by MarqFlyer
(Post 9270398)
I think the key distinction - already mentioned above - is between those pax who grab the seat and give it a big tug vs those who just touch it lightly to steady themselves. If the pax who use my seatback seem to be taking into account the fact that there is actually a human being (sometimes a sleeping one) in the seat, I usually won't object to a light touch to assist with balance. A quick and simple "sorry" can go a long way in this regard. It's just that some pax simply manhandle the thing, which makes you wonder....
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Originally Posted by peachfront
(Post 9275939)
Well, you clearly have a good sense of balance. Because if you didn't, you would understand that if your balance is unsteady, often a "light touch" isn't enough to make you feel secure. You do have to grab on or you're going to stumble.
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I think a little courtesy goes a LONG way in any airplane situation. Perhaps we can ask the airlines to add that to part of their safety spiel? :)
"Please be nice to those around you, they're just as cramped and uncomfortable as you!" |
Originally Posted by BamaGirl
(Post 9261764)
I find seat grabbing highly annoying. The one's that really annoy me are those who while using the back of my seat to pull themselves up grab my hair, taking a few souvenir strands with them and still don't apologize. .
Yeah, that really unhinges me too. Then on reflex, you try to pull your head away and things go downhill after that. |
Originally Posted by peachfront
(Post 9275900)
I suspect many people have trouble walking/standing on an aircraft. Bad hips or knees aren't only found in seniors. [...] Based on your own description, you spoke up in an ugly, boorish fashion and put yourself in the wrong, even if you did have a legitimate complaint to start with -- which I kind of doubt.
In fact, as I originally wrote, I initially politely asked the culprit to not yank on my headrest. It wasn't until after he responded with a very rude rejoinder that I made it clear to him I wasn't going to back down. And if you can't tell a facetious remark from a serious one, you're doing a lot worse than the ogre I had to deal with on the flight. He was a lot bigger than me, and I think he relied on his imposing size to keep people quiet despite his inconsiderate jerkishness. It was clear to me that he didn't NEED to use the headrests, he was just so big that he felt it was more comfortable to pull himself along. My mother would be quite proud of the way I acted in this scenario. She didn't raise her child to be a doormat. Did yours? |
I don't recall anyone doing this to my headrest on any of the flights I have been on. No doubt people have done this to me many times but I guess I never noticed or if I did notice it I must have forgotten about such an inconsequential thing immediately. I find when I am not actively seeking things to be pissed off about, life goes easier and things don't bother me as much.
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Originally Posted by trilinearmipmap
(Post 9280104)
I don't recall anyone doing this to my headrest on any of the flights I have been on. [...] I find when I am not actively seeking things to be pissed off about, life goes easier and things don't bother me as much.
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Originally Posted by trilinearmipmap
(Post 9280104)
I don't recall anyone doing this to my headrest on any of the flights I have been on. No doubt people have done this to me many times but I guess I never noticed or if I did notice it I must have forgotten about such an inconsequential thing immediately. I find when I am not actively seeking things to be pissed off about, life goes easier and things don't bother me as much.
A person wouldn't have to be actively looking for something to get upset about in many of the cases I have seen or experienced. I'm talking about hard enough to wake a person or cause them to spill a drink -- would you agree that you'd notice that even if you weren't actively seeking things to get pissed about? Or would you still not even notice?:confused: |
Originally Posted by wharvey
(Post 9249873)
I actually find this happens more with elderly people who have some difficulty getting down the aisle.
I have learned to just accept it as a part of flying... and sitting on the aisle. I do not believe people are intentionally trying to irritate me so I do not take it personally. I see no value in having a confrontation over a relatively trivial matter... I am sure I do things on a plane that others do not like as well (even thought I try not to!). But of course when a situation like the OP's arises, one has to find a way to stand up for themselves. |
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