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frebay Sep 15, 2007 11:07 am

Tipping to get a flight upgrade will it work? has it worked?
 
i have never tried tipping at the airport in an attempt to get an upgrade and was wondering if anyone ever tried. If I am flying intl, I would be willing to tip 500-1000 if they upgrade my seats to business.

gdeluca Sep 15, 2007 11:11 am

I did it about 10 years ago in St. Thomas on AA, but things have changed since then so not sure it would work ;) I am sure the more experienced FTers know much more about this than I.

skylady Sep 15, 2007 11:40 am

I would have to say no to this. Not too many employees are willing to risk their jobs for a one time tip. Biz travellers are far too savvy these days to let someone bump ahead of them for an upgrade.

Ready2Go Sep 15, 2007 11:32 pm

I don't think "tipping" is quite the right word for the transaction you are describing.

abmj-jr Sep 15, 2007 11:50 pm


Originally Posted by Ready2Go (Post 8410664)
I don't think "tipping" is quite the right word for the transaction you are describing.

Agreed. I think the proper word starts with a 'B' and is quite likely to get the agent fired immediately. The computers have gotten much more sophisticated.

ionlyflyupfront Sep 16, 2007 12:27 am

also down right offensive suggestion I would say

Soames Sep 16, 2007 8:27 am

If you're willing to "tip" up to $1000 why not buy an upgrade?

moondog Sep 16, 2007 10:26 am

I'll chime in. My boss attempts to bribe his way into C or F every single time he flies. Well to be fair, sometimes he "asks" about the cost of a paid upgrade, but more often than not, he simply utters the words "first class" and throws money ($50 intra-China, $100 intra-Asia, $300 for tpac or Asia to Europe) on the counter in a discreet way. His success rate is VERY high. In fact, I just noticed EK F tags on his luggage today and I'm positive he didn't pay for F. I think part of his good fortune has to do with his personality; while he's not attractive in the slightest, he's not the kind of guy that gets told "no" very often. Oh, and even more impressive, he doesn't do the FF thing at all! I'm doing a 3-city trip with him this week and would be shocked if we ended up spending any time in Y seats (the bad news is that he likes early AM flights).

biggestbopper Sep 16, 2007 10:32 am

Wonder what the results of trying this at LAX, JFK or ORD would be? :)

Jalinth Sep 16, 2007 10:45 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 8412037)
I'll chime in. My boss attempts to bribe his way into C or F every single time he flies. Well to be fair, sometimes he "asks" about the cost of a paid upgrade, but more often than not, he simply utters the words "first class" and throws money ($50 intra-China, $100 intra-Asia, $300 for tpac or Asia to Europe) on the counter in a discreet way.

If he is flying with EK, is he mostly flying with that airline and local chinese airlines? My understanding is that most of the major, long-standing airlines (SQ,CX, BA, UA, AA, etc..) control upgrades pretty carefully due to the "family and friends" issues and the need to manage their elite paxs. Maybe some of the outstations might be able to pull off an ongoing scam due to the looser internal controls, but I can't imagine this working from an airlines' primary hubs.

I could see EK having a problem in this respect given their sheer growth - systems that worked when they were much smaller aren't viable. No or insufficient monitoring, very rapid growth and lack of training of new employees, vague or constantly changing policies (making a "paid" exception easier to slide through), or the possibility of having one of the outstations going rogue due to the bad apple getting promoted and being in charge of a station.

moondog Sep 16, 2007 10:55 am


Originally Posted by Jalinth (Post 8412123)
Maybe some of the outstations might be able to pull off an ongoing scam due to the looser internal controls, but I can't imagine this working from an airlines' primary hubs.

He flew DXB-PEK on a Y fare (I know this much because I audited it; it was damn expenisve, mind you, but still Y)... and flew F. BTW, he always attempts the same in the US as well; while his success record is lower there, it's still well north of 50%.

Jalinth Sep 16, 2007 1:42 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 8412157)
He flew DXB-PEK on a Y fare (I know this much because I audited it; it was damn expenisve, mind you, but still Y)... and flew F. BTW, he always attempts the same in the US as well; while his success record is lower there, it's still well north of 50%.

I'm assuming with EK for both the DXB and US parts (although going PEK to US via DXB seems rather roundabout)? If so, EK definitely has some major internal control problems. Any properly designed system should be able to detect this type of activity - one reason internal auditors exist. To make sure that the control system actually can catch this type of activity:)

moondog Sep 16, 2007 4:24 pm


Originally Posted by Jalinth (Post 8412830)
I'm assuming with EK for both the DXB and US parts (although going PEK to US via DXB seems rather roundabout)?

Just a simple DXB-PEK, which is quite expensive, btw (more than double DXB-HKG and 3x DXB-MNL).

Doppy Sep 16, 2007 5:47 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 8412037)
I'll chime in. My boss attempts to bribe his way into C or F every single time he flies. Well to be fair, sometimes he "asks" about the cost of a paid upgrade, but more often than not, he simply utters the words "first class" and throws money ($50 intra-China, $100 intra-Asia, $300 for tpac or Asia to Europe) on the counter in a discreet way. His success rate is VERY high. In fact, I just noticed EK F tags on his luggage today and I'm positive he didn't pay for F. I think part of his good fortune has to do with his personality; while he's not attractive in the slightest, he's not the kind of guy that gets told "no" very often. Oh, and even more impressive, he doesn't do the FF thing at all! I'm doing a 3-city trip with him this week and would be shocked if we ended up spending any time in Y seats (the bad news is that he likes early AM flights).

You should try uttering "11AM flight" while discreetly throwing some money up on his desk.

frebay Sep 17, 2007 12:25 am


Originally Posted by Soames (Post 8411563)
If you're willing to "tip" up to $1000 why not buy an upgrade?

B/c an upgrade from LAX to HKG would set me back about 8k-9k


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