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N830MH Jul 8, 2007 9:15 pm


Originally Posted by Cofyknsult (Post 8023891)
The jab at "A very slow Airbus" was in bad taste... Slow was not exactly the pace of Airbus sales at the Paris Air Show last month, and an airliner's fate is unpredictable and at the mercy of a delay, an incident or worse... Bad behavior. Not to mention that he was on that Airbus because no competing Boeing had the range to cover the sector he was flying

Yeah, I know. It wasn't good enough for Airbus is really very slow. It is uncomfortable with Airbus. I am perfer that I am really like Boeing is much better than Airbus. Do you really think Airbus need speed up for start built new A350. It would be deliveries to entire airlines around 2013, am I right? It not mean Airbus is a simply problems. It wasn't correctable with entire A350 will wait for 5 or 6 years until sometimes 2012 or 2013.

cj001f Jul 8, 2007 9:40 pm

Can't wait to fly on it!



Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 8024040)
Yeah, I know. It wasn't good enough for Airbus is really very slow. It is uncomfortable with Airbus. I am perfer that I am really like Boeing is much better than Airbus. Do you really think Airbus need speed up for start built new A350. It would be deliveries to entire airlines around 2013, am I right? It not mean Airbus is a simply problems. It wasn't correctable with entire A350 will wait for 5 or 6 years until sometimes 2012 or 2013.

:confused::confused:

BOB W Jul 8, 2007 11:51 pm


Originally Posted by Cofyknsult (Post 8023891)
"The jab at "A very slow Airbus" was in bad taste..."

It was a joke for Ch---'s sake. Give it a rest.

"Slow was not exactly the pace of Airbus sales at the Paris Air Show last month"

Which is why the 787 is the fastest selling pax jet in history.....

"Bad behavior. Not to mention that he was on that Airbus because"

That was what the carrier bought.

Based in Paris.................

TEX277 Jul 9, 2007 3:05 am


Originally Posted by BOB W (Post 8024464)
Based in Paris.................

I trust that you are aware of the delicious irony that arises when somebody in the US infers that a European is biased in favour of Airbus over Boeing. @:-)

Cofyknsult Jul 9, 2007 6:00 am

From the OP
 

Originally Posted by BOB W (Post 8024464)
Based in Paris.................

Paris AND New York. Let's face it, I like the single aisle airbus family more than the 737 or 757 (not to mention the 717, but that's not a real Boeing), and I would like the 777 more than the 340 if the airline geniuses didn't cram a middle seat in Business Class, but there it is: When Boeing has to establish a world distance record by flying HKG - LHR in the WRONG direction, it clearly shows that the only record worth breaking is Australia - Europe nonstop and that they are not ready to do anything more useful than the A 340-500.

I wish the 787 luck and I look forward to fly in it. But you do not establish a plane's superiority by degrading the competition. It's simple bad manners.

YVR Cockroach Jul 9, 2007 8:48 am


Originally Posted by Cofyknsult (Post 8023891)
Not to mention that he was on that Airbus because no competing Boeing had the range to cover the sector he was flying

Would you care to elaborate?

YVR Cockroach Jul 9, 2007 8:53 am


Originally Posted by Cofyknsult (Post 8025144)
I would like the 777 more than the 340 if the airline geniuses didn't cram a middle seat in Business Class,

There are several airlines that don't have a middle/non-window/aisle seat in BC for the 777.


but there it is: When Boeing has to establish a world distance record by flying HKG - LHR in the WRONG direction,
Airbus has done its share of meaningless "record" flights too. The only meaningful records are ones that allow you to do the flight with a useful payload.


it clearly shows that the only record worth breaking is Australia - Europe nonstop and that they are not ready to do anything more useful than the A 340-500.
The 777 can do LON-SYD but not he other way around with a useful payload. The 340-500 can't in either direction.


I wish the 787 luck and I look forward to fly in it. But you do not establish a plane's superiority by degrading the competition. It's simple bad manners.
We don't know firm numbers about the 787 yet but it is established that 777-300ER and -200LR are superior to the corresponding Airbus products in every important measure.

JTK Jul 9, 2007 8:56 am

787 Design Details
 
For those of you who are interested in the engineering behind the 787, I would suggest the articals that are in the latest edition of design news. (www.designnews.com). In the articals you can find information on the composite materials, engine design, electric design, and wind gust suppression designs. There are also links to various videos, blogs and other articals of interest.

Cofyknsult Jul 9, 2007 11:55 am


Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach (Post 8025807)


The 777 can do LON-SYD but not he other way around with a useful payload. The 340-500 can't in either direction.

We don't know firm numbers about the 787 yet but it is established that 777-300ER and -200LR are superior to the corresponding Airbus products in every important measure.

Fine, I am not comparing the aircraft which obviously all have their pluses and minuses, just criticizing the behaviour.

As to the 777 6-abreast Business class airlines, YES, but when they have both types, as often in the Middle East, they are the same which operate the A 340 in 5-abreast configuration... You can do a lot of things with cheap oil.

Cofyknsult Jul 9, 2007 11:58 am


Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach (Post 8025780)
Would you care to elaborate?


With pleasure... I do not know of any airline which operates nonstop 777s between SIN and JFK. And that's pretty much a sector between antipodes, since SQ flies both directions Eastward to profit from prevailing winds.

rkkwan Jul 9, 2007 12:12 pm


Originally Posted by Cofyknsult (Post 8026909)
With pleasure... I do not know of any airline which operates nonstop 777s between SIN and JFK. And that's pretty much a sector between antipodes, since SQ flies both directions Eastward to profit from prevailing winds.

When you first wrote this:

"Not to mention that he was on that Airbus because no competing Boeing had the range to cover the sector he was flying"

you were correct, because the 340-500 came into the market first. When SQ started SIN-LAX/EWR, the 772LR wasn't ready. And you used the past tense "had". You should have just stopped right there.

The 772LR now can do the same route with higher payload and less fuel/payload. But SQ decides for whatever reason they're going to just stick with the five A345 they have.

BTW, EWR->SIN is sometime flown using the Polar Route. Not necessarily across the Atlantic.

The inefficiencies of the A345 is well-known. Emirates wouldn't start DXB-IAH with their A345s; instead they'll wait until the 772LRs are delivered late this year. They even pull the A345 from JFK service. Instead, they use them on Europe and Australian routes, which are definitely NOT what they are designed and marketed for.

TravelinWilly Apr 9, 2008 6:47 am

787 Delayed Again
 
Just posted on Report on Business.

Moderator, if this is the wrong forum, please move it.

Will

hsxagent Apr 9, 2008 7:04 am

When is this plane ever going to take off!

SmilingBoy Apr 9, 2008 7:14 am

This means it will enter service 15-17 months later than expected. Still better than the A380, which I think was a bit over 2 years late, but then, there could be further delays with the 787, too...

ozstamps Apr 9, 2008 7:24 am

Wow .. will big buyers like NW get the kind of MASSIVE payouts QF and SQ did for the airbus delays?


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