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byoung17 Mar 13, 2007 2:25 pm

It has happened to me only once. I'm a short small woman who had the aisle seat, and another similarly sized woman had the window. The man who sat between us was very tall and built like a football player. He pulled up the armrests and was having to use our seats. We didn't say anything and luckily it wasn't a long flight. He was as uncomfortable as we were. We were on a full flight in Y.

Once I sat in F next to a large ex-pro wrestler who was in PR. He was very interesting and a long x-country flight went by quickly. I'm not a wrestling fan, but enjoyed talking to him.

My husband is tall and weighs approx. 280, but does not need the seatbelt extension. Whenever possible he books an aisle seat and does everything he can to not bother the PAX next to him. He also tries to upgrade whenever it's available.

josephstern Mar 13, 2007 2:27 pm

So has anyone seen this happen? I really can't picture a FA pulling someone off a plane, or even a GA denying boarding. But based on this guy, if his seat-mate were the same size, there would have been an issue. It must have happened.

I'm sure if my grandmother was sitting next to this guy, she'd yell and scream until the issue was resolved to her satisfaction. She can't be the only one.

tjl Mar 13, 2007 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by james318 (Post 7395977)
I guess my point is that how do you really know until the plane takes off.

Airlines should take old interior parts to make demo areas near checkin and gate areas. I.e. a setup with seats, overhead bins, and exit doors so that passengers can test themselves in the seats, test their carryons in the overhead and underseat spaces, and test their ability to open the exit door.

james318 Mar 13, 2007 6:53 pm


Originally Posted by josephstern (Post 7396037)
james318 -

I'm glad you're of grace with the situation. That's the way to go through life!

That's the way you have to be! I grew up as a fat kid (and was honestly never treated differently for that, even into high school), then post high school went on a massive diet and lost 140lbs, then suffered from what I call a "function eating disorder" for almost a year after, (anorexic when the situation called for it, bulemic when it called for it) and then got through this and gained it all back, and don't feel bad about it. I was a bad Tracy Gold style afternoon special. But life is good... enough about me.

What drives me nuts though is that I can sit on the same seat on a different plane (same model, just different actual plane) and have extra seat belt space on the first and need an extender on the second. One nice attendant in F told me that if the belt gets frayed, they'll [the airline] cut it down and put the buckle back on, reducing the overall length sometimes. I hardly need an extender, unless it was on the old NW DC-10 barcalounger WorldBusiness Class seat, which always required one. Go figure. :)

I find if the morbidly obese carry themselves with a little dignity, a good attitude and a respect for their own mass, 95% of passengers don't mind sitting next to them.

It's always funny though that in exit rows on NW, you'll find that all the fat passengers sit in the exit row, so we are all invading eachothers spaces anyway. I feel we're all capable of opening the exit door and assisting people though, should the situation call for it. Plus we can make a cushy landing for the rest of the plane coming down the slides!

747LWW Mar 13, 2007 6:57 pm

Excellent suggestion tjl!

Cheers

pacer142 Mar 14, 2007 2:02 am


Originally Posted by james318 (Post 7395420)
I love how obesity is the last openly accepted prejudice...

Because it's one of the few physical attributes over which 99% of people have control?

james318 Mar 14, 2007 4:06 am


Originally Posted by pacer142 (Post 7399469)
Because it's one of the few physical attributes over which 99% of people have control?

I think that percentage is a lot lower. Unless you've ever been there, you truly don't understand. But I won't preach about it. Tyra Banks tried that and failed.

davem4 Mar 14, 2007 4:13 am


Originally Posted by james318 (Post 7395420)
I scrunch myself against the wall tightly so as to make sure that the skinny next to me gets the WHOLE armrest to themselves, and always they always seem to take both armrests on their seat for their arms.

Its generaly accepted that the person in the middle seat gets both armrests.

djk7 Mar 14, 2007 7:25 am

In answer to the OP, there is no law regarding this, it is up to airline policy. It has also been discussed many, many times here, I have listed a few below. Not suprisingly, a few of them are locked.


Originally Posted by knighthawks97 (Post 7395874)
It just doesn't look right refering to a person of size as a POS.

An alterative preferred by some is "Customer of Size" (COS).

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=298700
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336067
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=333243
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325757
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=582552
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=634813
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=624326
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=550670
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=370139
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466658
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=524214
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=547609
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=534288
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=524818

chuckd Mar 14, 2007 8:42 pm


Originally Posted by james318 (Post 7399660)
I think that percentage is a lot lower. Unless you've ever been there, you truly don't understand. But I won't preach about it. Tyra Banks tried that and failed.

I think that's because she made a profession out of being skinny and attractive while wearing as little as possible (which is fine with me). Now she wants to exercise less and eat more (also fine with me) while complaining about people like her old self (not fine).

Back on topic, I don't see much of a problem with a passenger weight/size limit. As un-pc as it may be, people are things, and things cost money to move. The more to move the higher the price only makes sense.

I also agree with pacer, though 99 might be a bit high when you factor in disease/injury/ignorance.

Palal Mar 14, 2007 10:11 pm

I think WN's policy is the way to go. If you can't fit in a seat, get two.

ludocdoc Mar 14, 2007 10:30 pm


Originally Posted by james318 (Post 7395420)
I love how obesity is the last openly accepted prejudice... Perhaps we shouldn't let fat people fly at all. Put them on the back of a watermelon truck so they can gorge on watermelons the whole way... Well, scratch that. Fat people would rather eat chocolate.

Anyway, I digress. Where do you draw the line? .

Now come on. That isn't fair.

There are prejudices -- inappropriate VALUE judgements -- and there are realities -- if you're 20 inches wide, and the seat is 17, 2 or 3 people are going to be uncomfortable. I'm a bit overweight, but I don't spill over the armrest. Thats where you draw the line. If the skinny minny next to me cant sit in her chair alone, without me in it, she's not being treated fairly. You pay for the seat(s) you sit in.

Where do YOU draw the line?

Heavy people pay the same cover to a club as skinny people (seems obvious)
The same to a concert (1 listener gets to listen)
The same airfare (are you buying transit for 1 human or by the seat)
The same rent for an apartment (1 human to live in...)
The same cost for clothing (regardless of how much material it takes)
The same health insurance premium (we are less healthy...)
The same grocery bills (1 human to feed...) even though we eat more...

Are all these differences prejudices? No......

MrZhu Mar 14, 2007 11:21 pm

Mr Zhu always views these incidents as arbitrage opportunities. While MrZhu typically purchases low fare tickets he charges anyone who needs part of his seat the appropriate fraction of a full price walk up fare.

For instance if the person will be taking 1/3 of his seat he simply asks for 1/3 of the walk up fare.

Mr Zhu wonders if he should be reporting this on his income taxes?

12172003 Mar 15, 2007 12:25 am


Originally Posted by Palal (Post 7405371)
I think WN's policy is the way to go. If you can't fit in a seat, get two.

I flew SJC SNA a year and a half ago. I normally fly UA where I'm a 1K with priority boarding, upgrades, etc. This time I was the last one on, middle seat, last row. The woman in the aisle was enormous. I figured I'd "try" the seat first before I complained. The second I sat down, the plane pushed back and the pax briefing began. I was stuck. The woman could barely fit in the seat. Her shoulder/fat was overhanging my seat. The fat was underneath and over the armrest. The very split second the seat belt sign came off, I was asking to stand. I walked over to the FA and said, "I was wondering what your policy...." She stopped me midsentence and told me to speak to customer relations when on the ground after the short 1 hour jump. We landed and while getting off another passenger said, "Excuse me. I just wanted to offer you my utmost sympathy. That must have been absolutely horrible." When I got to Customer Service, it was almost like they were waiting for me. WN gave me the cost of the one way flight plus $100. Not bad. Fortunately it was only an hour long.

josephstern Mar 15, 2007 6:43 am


WN gave me the cost of the one way flight plus $100. Not bad.
Just realize that if they give you money, we all pay it. So we're all subsidizing that second seat that this woman should have purchased ahead of time.

I'm sure plenty of things get subsidized by others around me too . . .


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