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Explore Dec 26, 2006 1:33 pm

Heated Runways?
 
I'm sure there's a good argument why this isn't feasible, but I'd like to know the details.

Item 1: The recent DEN shutdown was a royal mess at the "all weather airport" and across the nation.

Item 2: Railroads heat track switches to keep lines open in all temperature conditions.

Item 3: A track switch occupies a tiny area compared to a runway.

Has anyone looked at heating runways when warranted? What would the cost be?

alanh Dec 26, 2006 2:04 pm

The main issue is your item 3. The amount of heat required to keep blowing snow from pilling up on the runways would be gigantic. There's also the issue of keeping the taxiways and gate areas clear as well.

slippahs Dec 26, 2006 2:05 pm

IIRC, there have been a lot of tests conducted on heated runway solutions using pipes underneath the runway that are heated with water up to its boiling point. A Google search for "heating runway" or "heated runway" brings up some great websites that discuss this further.

Of course, with airports scrapping for every landing/take-off fee they can get, I'm sure the main reason why such wasn't implemented in the U.S. was the cost vs. the overall benefit that would result.

greggwiggins Dec 26, 2006 2:15 pm

It was a highway, not a runway, but I think there was an experimental stretch of electrically-heated road built by Virginia Tech sometime in the 1990s as part of a project to test various traffic safety improvements. The heated highway, if I remember the news coverage correctly, wasn't a safety improvement because it turned out that while heating the surface melted the ice or snow it also created a really thick layer of fog.

acpilot Dec 26, 2006 2:23 pm

The cost of this would be enormous. Don't forget that even if the runway was kept clear the aircraft need someplace to go after they land so that means taxiways, aprons and gate areas also need to be kept open. Another huge problem would be providing drainage for all the meltwater -melting it is fine but you still need to get rid of it.

cpx Dec 26, 2006 2:31 pm

Even if you figure out some way to drain the water and keep the rest of the
surface (taxi way.. parking etc) the amount of head required to keep the
runways clear and to maintain a warm temperature with the wind blowing is
a very expensive process. even if you solve the fog issue, drain issue and the
construction issues.. its remains very expensive.

unless you come up with a cheap fuel alternative :)
(or move the airport to a warm place)


So far, its cheaper to displace the snow instead of melting it.

slawecki Dec 26, 2006 2:58 pm

I think there is a road up snowmass mountain that is heated. 25' of snow a year.

Explore Dec 26, 2006 3:14 pm

I'm beginning to think this isn't feasible........

3timesalady Dec 26, 2006 5:30 pm


Originally Posted by acpilot (Post 6904842)
Another huge problem would be providing drainage for all the meltwater -melting it is fine but you still need to get rid of it.

Couldn't they just drain the water into the holding tanks used for drinking water on airplanes? Mmm, that would be tasty!! :D

clarence5ybr Dec 26, 2006 6:16 pm


Originally Posted by acpilot (Post 6904880)
Another huge problem would be providing drainage for all the meltwater


Originally Posted by cpx (Post 6904880)
Even if you figure out some way to drain the water

Um, if airports don't have any way to drain water from runways and other areas, how come they don't shut down in the rain?

thebug622 Dec 26, 2006 6:36 pm

We had a heated driveway at our home in NJ when I was a boy (1959) never operated properly but was offered by the builder of the home ,so it's not a new idea.As far as the energy required,remember you only need to raise the temp above 32 and it does not usually snow when the temp is extremly low so it may not require the amount of energy you may believe it would

Lehava Dec 26, 2006 6:43 pm

Also isnt the snow on a plane taking off an issue, even with deicing if the snow is coming down heavy enough it is going to build up on the plane and add weight and become a safety issue.

acpilot Dec 26, 2006 6:53 pm


Originally Posted by clarence5ybr (Post 6905684)
Um, if airports don't have any way to drain water from runways and other areas, how come they don't shut down in the rain?

My point is that it's not just the runways that would need to be heated but also the drainage system.

acpilot Dec 26, 2006 6:57 pm


Originally Posted by thebug622 (Post 6905734)
We had a heated driveway at our home in NJ when I was a boy (1959) never operated properly but was offered by the builder of the home ,so it's not a new idea.As far as the energy required,remember you only need to raise the temp above 32 and it does not usually snow when the temp is extremly low so it may not require the amount of energy you may believe it would

A runway 200' x 10000' is equal to about 8 miles of two lane highway. You may only need to raise the temp by a few degrees but you're talking about thousands (millions?) of tons of pavement and a huge surface area. I sure wouldn't want to be the guy paying for the heating bill.

FlyingUnderTheRadar Dec 26, 2006 7:18 pm

The biggest is the cost benefit ratio. Airports rarely get so over loaded that they shut down. This was the first time for DEN after being open for how many years how 10?

Drainage is not that much of a problem as on average a foot of snow contains an 1 inch of water. But then again there is alot of concrete.


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