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Flights on YY airline?

I've seen a few listings for YY airline (= the generic IATA code) on Expertflyer. Why are these listed? What do they mean? Where can I book them? For example, YLAP6M on YY from TPE-PDX:

Code:

 FARE BASIS CODE

YLAP6M

 

BK CODE

‡ -

 

PENALTY

PENALTIES-CHARGES/CANCEL - A,1, REFUND FOR CANCELLATION AND NO-SHOW BEFORE DEPARTURE: / BEFORE DEADLINE: FULL REFUND II, AFTER DEADLINE: REFUND THE FARE PAID LESS: BND 320 HKD 1400 MMK 1130 MOP 1400 MYR 760 SGD 320 THB 7600 TWD 6240 USD 180 EXCEPTIONS FULL REFUND IN CASE OF DEATH OF THE PASSENGER OR AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER, AS EVIDENCED BY A DEATH CERTIFICATE / AFTER DEPARTURE: REFUND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE. APPLICABLE FARE FOR THE TRANSPORTATION USED LESS BND 320 HKD 1400 MMK 1130 MOP 1400 MYR 760 SGD 320 THB 7600 TWD 6240 USD 180 THE APPLICABLE FARE MAY BE THE ONE WAY APEX FARE / THE NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT MAY BE USED AS CREDIT THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE: THE NEW TICKET AND ANY SUB- SEQUENT REISSUES MUST BE ANNOTATED -NONREF/APEX- / REBOOKING AND REROUTING A,I, BEFORE DEPARTURE: AA, BEFORE DEADLINE: PERMITTED BB,. AFTER DEADLINE: / OUTBOUND PORTION OF THE PRICING UNIT TO THE FIRST STOPOVER POINT IN TC1: NOT PERMITTED / OTHER PORTIONS OF THE PRICING UNIT / REBOOKING: PERMITTED: SUCH TRANS- ACTION MUST BE MADE NOT LATER THAN THE DAY BEFORE THE DAY OF THE FLIGHT BEING CHANGED / REOUTING: PERMITTED AT A CHARGE PER TRANSACTION OF BND 150 HKD 600 MMK 480 MOP 600 MYR 320 SGD 150 THB 3200 TWD 2600 USD 75 SUCH. TRANSACTION MUST BE MADE NOT LATER THAN THE DAY BEFORE THE DAY OF THE FLIGHT BEING CHANGED II, AFTER DEPARTURE AA, OUTBOUND PORTION OF THE PRICING UNIT TO THE FIRST STOPOVER POINT IN TC1: NOT PERMITTED BB, OTHER PORTIONS OF THE PRICING UNIT / REBOOKING PERMITTED: SUCH TRANSACTION MUST BE MADE NOT LATER THAN THE DAY BEFORE THE DAY OF THE FLIGHT BEING CHANGED / REROUTING: PERMITTED AT A CHARGE PER TRANSACTION OF BND 150 HKD 600 MMK 480 MOP. 600 MYR. 320 SGD 150 THB 3200 TWD 2600 USD 75 SUCH TRANSACTION MUST BE MADE NOT LATER THAN THE DAY BEFORE THE DAY OF THE FLIGHT BEING CHANGED.

 

RES/TKTG

RES MUST BE MADE AND TKT PURCHASED 7 DAYS BEFORE DPTR FROM ORIGIN. SGMTS USING THIS RULE MUST BE CONFIRMED.

 

MIN STAY

4 DAYS. MEASURED FROM DPTR FROM GATEWAY.

 

MAX STAY

RETURN TRVL MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 6 MONTHS AFTER DPTR FROM ORIGIN.

 

SEASONS

5FEB-1JUN OR 4SEP-7DEC. SAME DATES APPLY EACH YEAR. SEASON IS BASED ON DATE OF ORIGIN.

 

BLACKOUTS

NO BLACKOUT RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

 

EFF/EXP

30MAY05 IS THE FIRST DATE THAT TRAVEL MAY COMMENCE.

 

FLT APPL

NO FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

 

STOPOVERS

A FREE STOPOVER IS PERMITTED AND 2 ADDITIONAL STOPOVERS ARE PERMITTED, AT TWD 2600 EACH PER ADT AND TWD 1950 EACH PER CHD AND TWD 260 EACH PER INF. A STOPOVER OCCURS WHEN THE PASSENGER DOES NOT DEPART AN INTERMEDIATE POINT WITHIN 24 HOURS.

 

TICKET RESTRICTIONS

TICKET RESTRICTION MAY APPLY. CONTACT THE CARRIER FOR PROVISIONS. NOTE: EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY NOT PERMITTED DUE TO MEDICAL REASONS.

 

DISCOUNTS

75 PCT OF THE ADT FARE IS CHARGED FOR A CNN PSGR 2 THRU 11 YRS OF AGE. CNN PSGR MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL SGMTS BY AN ADT PSGR TRAVELING IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT. - - - - 75 PCT OF THE ADT FARE IS CHARGED FOR AN INS PSGR UNDER 2 YRS OF AGE. INS PSGR MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL SGMTS BY AN ADT PSGR TRAVELING IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT. - - - - 100 PCT OF THE ADT FARE IS CHARGED FOR A UNN PSGR 2 THRU 11 YRS OF AGE. PSGR MAY BE UNACCOMPANIED. - - - - 10 PCT OF THE ADT FARE IS CHARGED FOR AN INF PSGR UNDER 2 YRS OF AGE NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT. INF PSGR MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL SGMTS BY AN ADT PSGR TRAVELING IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT. *** TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS - A, NOT PERMITTED. AGENT DISCOUNTS - A, NOT PERMITTED. OTHER DISCOUNTS - A, NOT PERMITTED.

 

REROUTE

VOLUNTARY REROUTING AND REBOOKING IS NOT PERMITTED FOR GROUPS. VOLUNTARY REROUTING AND REBOOKING IS PERMITTED FOR INDIVIDUAL TOURS.

 

TRANSFERS

UNLIMITED TRANSFERS AS PERMITTED ON THE ROUTING/MPM.

 

COMBINATIONS

CARRIER / RULE / FARE CIRCLE OPEN ROUND BASIS TRIP JAW TRIP SAME / SAME / SAME C C C SAME / SAME / DIFF C C C SAME / DIFF / SAME C C C SAME / DIFF / DIFF C C C DIFF / SAME / SAME C C C DIFF / SAME / DIFF C C C DIFF / DIFF / SAME C C C DIFF / DIFF / DIFF C C C Y / PERMITTED N / NOT PERMITTED - / DOES NOT APPLY C / SEE TEXT FOR CONDITIONS CONDITIONS APPLICABLE TO ROUND TRIP/CIRCLE TRIP/SINGLE OPEN JAW - -MAY BE COMBINED WITH ANY ONE WAY/ROUND TRIP FARE GOVERNED BY 003S RULE Y108/Y150 AND 018S RULE Y151 VIA ANY CARRIER. EXCEPTION -MAY BE COMBINED WITH ANY ONE WAY/ROUND TRIP FARE OF THE SAME FARE TYPE GOVERNED BY ANY RULE IN ANY TARIFF PROVIDED TRAVEL BETWEEN AREA 1-WESTERN HEMISPHERE AND AREA 3-ASIA AND SOUTHWEST PACIFIC IS VIA ANY CARRIER. -MOST RESTRICTIVE CONDITIONS APPLY. ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS APPLY ROUND TRIP - -PERMITTED. CIRCLE TRIP - -PERMITTED. OPEN JAW - -SINGLE OPEN JAW PERMITTED AT EITHER ORIGIN OR DESTINATION. END-ON-END - -PERMITTED. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE FARE COMBINATION POINT.

 

REFUNDS

NORMAL REFUND PROCEDURES APPLY.

 

CO-TERMINALS

NOT APPLICABLE.

 

INTL CONST

FARE WAS CONSTRUCTED BY COMBINING THE TPE-SFO YLAP6M FARE AND THE SFOUSD35 ADD-ON FROM SFO TO PDX.H

 

GROUP

GROUP MUST TRAVEL TOGETHER.

 

MISC

TITLE AND APPLICATION - APEX FARES FROM SOUTH EAST ASIA TO CANADA,USA ,FOR FURTHER INFORMATION SEE RULE S999, A,1, APPLICATION / ECONOMY CLASS ROUND, CIRCLE, SINGLE OPEN JAW TRIP APEX FARES FROM SOUTH EAST ASIA TO CANADA, USA. ELIGIBILITY - EXCEPTION: UNACCOMPANIED INFANT: NOT ELIGIBLE. ADVANCE RES. TICKETING - A,1, RESERVATIONS / THE OUTBOUND PORTION OF THE PRICING UNIT TO THE FIRST STOPOVER POINT IN TC1: DEADLINE: 7 DAYS / TICKETING /. DEADLINE: 7 DAYS / TICKETS MUST SHOW CONFIRMED RESERVATION FOR THE OUTBOUND JOURNEY TO THE FIRST STOPOVER POINT IN TC1. MINIMUM STAY - A, 4 DAYS / COUNTING FROM THE DAY AFTER DEPARTURE ON THE OUTBOUND TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR TO THE EARLIEST DAY RETURN TRANSPACIFIC TRAVEL MAY COMMENCE FROM THE LAST STOPOVER POINT ,INCLUDING FOR THIS PURPOSE THE POINT OF TURNAROUND,. SALES RESTRICTIONS - A,2, EXTENSION OF VALIDITY NOT PERMITTED FOR MEDICAL REASONS.

YY means you can fly that segment on any carrier that fly's that route.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MapleLeaf

YY means you can fly that segment on any carrier that fly's that route.

I knew that this applies to routings.

But that wasn't my original question. There is a $1400 Y fare TPE-PDX on YY. Can I call up any airline and say "I want that fare" -- even though it's cheaper than their own Y fare? I think not. So why is this fare listed, and what can I do with it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpdx

You should be able to. I have seen many agents refer to it as the "IATA fare." For example, I was looking at J class tickets from Pakistan to Canada, and was told that the IATA fare (YY) was cheaper than the Air Canada (AC) fare for identical flights. The agent could ticket the YY fare.

Also, remember: YY fares are not always fully flexible. I have seem some YY fares that don't allow any changes to the ticket after purchase. Therefore, if you are looking for a full Y class fare, a YY fare may not be your answer. In the fare rules posted above, there is a minumum stay of 4 days. If you wanted to stay less, you wouldn't be able to use it.

I have attatched the fare rules of a YY fare between LHR-YYZ for comparison. As you can see, it has quite a lot of restrictions.

Code:

(Unknown carrier YY) YY LONYTO YKWAP fare rules and restrictions 

General notes: 

         NOTE -

          EXCEPTION- UNACCOMPANIED INFANT NOT ELIGIBLE.



 



 

Day/time restrictions: 

  TO CANADA -

    PERMITTED FRI/SAT/SUN ON EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.

  FROM CANADA -

    PERMITTED THU/FRI/SAT/SUN ON EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.



 



 

Seasonal restrictions: 

  ORIGINATING UNITED KINGDOM -

    PERMITTED 07APR THROUGH 16APR OR 28APR THROUGH 29JUN OR

    01SEP THROUGH 29OCT ON THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC

    SECTOR.



 



 

Advanced reservations and ticketing restrictions: 

  RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST 21 DAYS

  BEFORE DEPARTURE.

  TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 7 DAYS AFTER

  RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 21 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE

  WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.



 



 

Minimum stay restrictions: 

  TRAVEL FROM TURNAROUND MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN

  1201AM ON THE FIRST SUN AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

         NOTE -

          WAIVER OF MINIMUM STAY - AFTER TICKET ISSUANCE

          PERMITTED ONLY IN THE EVENT OF DEATH OF AN

          IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OR AN ACCOMPANYING

          PASSENGER.



 



 

Stopovers: 

  NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED.



 



 

Transfers: 

  ORIGINATING UNITED KINGDOM -

    6 TRANSFERS PERMITTED - 3 IN EACH DIRECTION.

         1 AT THE ARRIVAL GATEWAY IN NORTH AMERICA

         1 AT THE DEPARTURE GATEWAY IN NORTH AMERICA

         1 ONLINE IN NORTH AMERICA IN EACH DIRECTION

         1 IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION.



 



 

Combinability restrictions: 

   DOUBLE OPEN JAWS NOT PERMITTED.

   ADD-ONS PERMITTED.

  END-ON-END

   ORIGINATING CANADA

    END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH NORMAL FARES.

    VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. FARES MUST BE SHOWN

    SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT

    OF COMBINATION.

    END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC FARES.

    VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. FARES MUST BE SHOWN

    SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT

    OF COMBINATION.

    END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH FARES WITHIN

    NORTH AMERICA. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. FARES MUST

    BE SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA

    THE POINT OF COMBINATION.

    END-ON-END NOTE -

      SIDE TRIP COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC

      FARES/NORMAL FARES AND FARES WITHIN NORTH AMERICA.

   ORIGINATING UNITED KINGDOM

    END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE

    COMPONENTS. FARES MUST BE SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE

    TICKET. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT OF COMBINATION.

     END-ON-END NOTE -

       SIDE TRIP COMBINATIONS PERMITTED.

  OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS

    FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS

    -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS.

     A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS

     PERMITTED.

    -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS

    -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS

     A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS

     PERMITTED.

   PROVIDED -

     COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY REGULAR APEX/SUPER/SPECIAL

     APEX/BUDGET APEX/APEX NONREFUNDABLE/BUDGET APEX

     NONREFUNDABLE/ECONOMY ADVANCE PURCHASE/ADVANCE PURCHASE

     2ND LEVEL-TYPE FARES FOR ANY CARRIER FROM/TO MEXICO IN

      ANY RULE IN TARIFF

      IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA

                ATL

      IPRSAA3 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 3 VIA

                ATL.

     COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY REGULAR APEX/SUPER/SPECIAL

     APEX/BUDGET APEX/APEX NONREFUNDABLE/BUDGET APEX

     NONREFUNDABLE/ECONOMY ADVANCE PURCHASE/ADVANCE PURCHASE

     2ND LEVEL-TYPE FARES FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY RULE IN

      TARIFF

      IPRA    - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2

      IPRAI   - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL.



 



 

Sales restrictions: 

         NOTE -

          EXTENSION OF VALIDITY NOT PERMITTED FOR

          MEDICAL REASONS.



 



 

Penalties: 

  ORIGINATING UNITED KINGDOM -

    CANCELLATIONS

      BEFORE DEPARTURE

        TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.

        WAIVED FOR UPGRADE TO HIGHER FARE/ILLNESS OR DEATH

          OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.

         NOTE -

          FULL REFUND IN CASE OF DEATH OF

          THE PASSENGER OR AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY

          MEMBER AS EVIDENCED BY A DEATH CERTIFICATE.

          ---

          THE NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT MAY BE USED AS CREDIT

          TOWARDS PAYMENT OF ANY HIGHER APPLICABLE NORMAL

          OR EXCURSION FARE.THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE

          AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE.

          THE NEW TICKET AND ANY SUBSEQUENT REISSUES MUST BE

          ANNOTATED -NONREF/APEX-.

      AFTER DEPARTURE

        TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.

        WAIVED FOR UPGRADE TO HIGHER FARE/ILLNESS OR DEATH

          OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.

         NOTE -

          FULL REFUND IN CASE OF DEATH OF

          THE PASSENGER OR AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY

          MEMBER AS EVIDENCED BY A DEATH CERTIFICATE.

          ---

          THE NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT MAY BE USED AS CREDIT

          TOWARDS PAYMENT OF ANY HIGHER APPLICABLE NORMAL

          OR EXCURSION FARE.THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE

          AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE.

          THE NEW TICKET AND ANY SUBSEQUENT REISSUES MUST BE

          ANNOTATED -NONREF/APEX-.

    CHANGES

      BEFORE DEPARTURE

        CHANGES NOT PERMITTED.

  ORIGINATING UNITED KINGDOM INBOUND -

    CHANGES

      AFTER DEPARTURE

        CHARGE GBP 100.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.

        CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.

         NOTE -

          THE ABOVE CHARGE APPLIES TO THE INBOUND PORTION OF

          PRICING UNIT.

          ---

          PERMITTED ONLY ONCE AT THE PENALTY AMOUNT.

          ---

          CHARGE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION

          ---

          SUCH TRANSACTION MUST BE MADE NOT LATER THAN THE

          DAY BEFORE THE DAY OF THE FLIGHT BEING CHANGED.

          ---

          CHARGE DOES NOT APPLY TO INFANTS PAYING 10 PERCENT

          OF THE ADULT FARE.



 



 

Endorsements: 

  THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED -

  NONREF/APEX - IN THE FORM OF PAYMENT BOX.

         NOTE -

          TICKETS MUST SHOW BY THE USE OF AN INSERT OR

          STICKER THAT TRAVEL IS AT A SPECIAL FARE AND

          SUBJECT TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS.

  AND - THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE

        ANNOTATED - VOLUNTARY CHNGS RESTRICTED - IN THE

        ENDORSEMENT BOX.



 



 

Children's discounts: 

  ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE.

        TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND PERCENT OF DISCOUNT

  OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE

         FARE.

             TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND PERCENT OF DISCOUNT.

         NOTE -

          UNACCOMPANIED INFANT - NOT PERMITTED

  OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-7 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE

         FARE

  OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 8-11 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE

         FARE

  OR - 1ST INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT

         OF THE FARE.

             TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN AND PERCENT OF DISCOUNT.

         NOTE -

          UNACCOMPANIED INFANT - NOT PERMITTED



 



 

Tour discounts: 

  TOUR CONDUCTOR - NO DISCOUNT.



 



 

Agent discounts: 

         NOTE -

          AGENT DISCOUNTS NOT PERMITTED.



 



 

Rule application: 

TC12 NORTH ATLANTIC APEX FARES BETWEEN CANADA AND UNITED

KINGDOM //077A//

 APPLICATION

   AREA

     THESE FARES APPLY

     BETWEEN CANADA AND UNITED KINGDOM.

   CLASS OF SERVICE

     THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.

   TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION

     FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE

     ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/SINGLE OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.

   FARES ONLY APPLY IF PURCHASED BEFORE DEPARTURE.

   EXCEPTION-

   MAY BE USED FOR EN-ROUTE UPGRADING FROM A LOWER

   FARE PROVIDED ALL CONDITIONS OF THESE FARES ARE

   MET.

 OTHER CONDITIONS

   PASSENGER EXPENSES NOT PERMITTED

Cheers

Quote:

Originally Posted by sadiqhassan

Thank you, sadiqhassan! I've found some very interesting YY fares from Asia. I guess I will have to harass one of the FT TAs.

Waking up an old thread...

I want to fly LAX -> PRG; OSL -> BOS in the summer. Since I collect CO miles, I am interested in routing the outbound through one of LHR (on VS), AMS (on KL), or CDG (on AF) and then connecting to PRG on OK. One of the cheapest fares for this slightly odd routing, found during searches on ITA, is a YY fare, fare basis YHXAN1ME for LAX-PRG, which allows the LHR connection. These fares are mysterious to me, so I'm hoping someone knows the answer to the following question.

Question: ITA books this fare on VS and OK in Q class. Why does it use Q class and not Y class? Is this specified in some IATA table, or does it just use the lowest fare class available (so if I want a higher fare class, I should just wait?)? How do I find out what booking classes IATA fares like this one book into on different carriers?

Anyone know? I'd love it if these fares could book in Y, since the elite qualifying bonus miles for full Y would be hefty. But I'd settle for just understanding what booking class these fares do use.

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellow77 (Post 7282991)

Question: ITA books this fare on VS and OK in Q class. Why does it use Q class and not Y class? Is this specified in some IATA table, or does it just use the lowest fare class available (so if I want a higher fare class, I should just wait?)? How do I find out what booking classes IATA fares like this one book into on different carriers?

One way to find out is to make a similar booking on different dates when a flight does not have Q availability and see if the fare still comes up. If it does in a different fare class, then multiple classes can be used. Otherwise, they can't.

Good point. It appears that Q is it for this fare on VS; well, it was a nice idea...