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bluewatersail Jul 11, 2006 11:57 pm

Is this for Real?
 
Is this doctored? If not, where is it?

http://www.sbhonline.com/Air%20France.jpg

YVR Cockroach Jul 12, 2006 12:05 am

No, it's real. An airport called SXM

Kettering Northants QC Jul 12, 2006 12:13 am

Yes
 
Yes, I believe it is real. It's some island in the Carribean, I think it is St Juliana airport at St Maartin in the Dutch Antilles.

If you go here
http://www2.airliners.net/

and do a search on St Maartin, you'll probably find hundreds of fantastic photos I think it is one of the best places in the world to plane spot.

I'd hope the travel agents advise holiday makers that some aircraft noise is likely :D

swag Jul 12, 2006 7:19 am

If it's the almost-over-water landing that impresses you, you don't need to go to all the way to the Caribbean. The approach into LGA can get closer to the water than that.

Of course, there's no good plane spotting location there, except the adjacent island which is the NYC prison on Rikers Island.

Mr. Vker Jul 12, 2006 7:31 am

Videos
 
If you do a video search at www.flightlevel350.com for the airport mentioned above, you cen see videos of approached.

tev9999 Jul 12, 2006 8:45 pm

Same place, even lower.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5764896

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5763051

Sunnyhere Jul 12, 2006 8:51 pm

Holy Cow!!!

russmeyergirl Jul 12, 2006 9:05 pm


Originally Posted by Sunnyhere
Holy Cow!!!

What incredible photos - thanks for sharing. Note to self: do not go to St Maartens.

Sunnyhere Jul 12, 2006 9:06 pm


Originally Posted by russmeyergirl
What incredible photos - thanks for sharing. Note to self: do not go to St Maartens.

LOL...my reaction was just the opposite!

KMHT FF Jul 12, 2006 10:15 pm

Those onlookers are nuts for standing there - if a plane does a go-around they are pretty much toast blasted out to sea.

droopyUA Jul 12, 2006 10:56 pm


Originally Posted by Sunnyhere
LOL...my reaction was just the opposite!

Agreed would love to see that in real life.

Rejuvenated Jul 12, 2006 11:40 pm

Yeah I've seen those shots on a.net in the past. Even more astounding than Kai Tak.

Kiwi Flyer Jul 13, 2006 12:25 am

Not as dramatic as SXM but still nice - WLG and another over the surf.

I like these ones of ZQN - final approach, looking down on the airport

dbuckho Jul 13, 2006 12:45 am

Some more links to SXM videos...

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=551135

enviroian Jul 13, 2006 7:59 am


Originally Posted by dbuckho


Great videos! I almost didn't realize at first while intently watching the videos that some of the women are topless :confused: Then again, sorry to say perhaps these women should have definitely remained clothed :rolleyes:

silverthief2 Jul 13, 2006 8:36 am

I used to have a photo taken from that beach of a KLM 747 about to land (wasn't my photo, I've never been there but want to go! :) ) on my computer desktop at work. I got a few questions about whether it was real.

CPRich Jul 13, 2006 10:18 pm


Originally Posted by russmeyergirl
What incredible photos - thanks for sharing. Note to self: do not go to St Maartens.

The landing's no worse than LGA or SFO and SM is a great little island. The beach in the lower left corner of the Air France shot was nice, and travelling up to the French side there's a great little town, shops, etc.,

There's a little restaurant just down from this location and we'd go there for lunch and watch the planes landing. The funny part was always the new arrivals who didn't know jets would be flying directly over them and didn't get out of the way.

Takeoffs from that end - engine power with brakes on (need a fast climb due to the mountain on the island) was interesting for folks who forgot to get out of the way also.

hauteboy Jul 14, 2006 2:45 am

This is at Maho beach in St. Maarten. KL still offers the 747 service, but I think AF has switched to a 343. The 747 flights have to make a refuel stop in Curacao as they can't take off with a full fuel load!

TWA Fan 1 Jul 14, 2006 7:06 am


Originally Posted by CPRich
The landing's no worse than LGA or SFO and SM is a great little island. The beach in the lower left corner of the Air France shot was nice, and travelling up to the French side there's a great little town, shops, etc.,

There's a little restaurant just down from this location and we'd go there for lunch and watch the planes landing. The funny part was always the new arrivals who didn't know jets would be flying directly over them and didn't get out of the way.

Takeoffs from that end - engine power with brakes on (need a fast climb due to the mountain on the island) was interesting for folks who forgot to get out of the way also.

For those of you who are into aviation (as opposed to discussing travelling on airplanes), there is a big difference between SXM and LGA and SFO.

LGA is much like SXM, because both airports have short runways (SXM: 7,054 ft, while LGA's two runways (4/22 & 13/31) are both 7,000 ft. long).

The difference is that LGA has the most elaborate navigational aid to assist pilots landing, the ILS (Instrument Landing System). The basic difference, is that ILS provides pilots with both horizontal and vertical data, to ensure precise approachs.

SXM has only VOR/DME approaches. This is means pilots have to eyeball their vertical approach. Especially on the heavies, this means most pilots tend to approach low because they are concerned about overshooting the short runway once they've landed.

Regarding SFO, it's also an overwater landing on most approaches, but SFO has ILS and much longer runways (the longest, 10L/28R is 11,870 ft long). Also, the runways at SFO are much wider than either SXM or LGA.

Another good landing is next door to SXM, it's the runway 10 approach at St Barts. The runway is up against a hill and the final involves a steep dip past the hill to the runway. Fun!

Here's a link to some video:

http://civilizedexplorer.phanfare.co.../23700/1069046

aSiAnRiCk Jul 14, 2006 7:08 am


Originally Posted by silverthief2
I used to have a photo taken from that beach of a KLM 747 about to land (wasn't my photo, I've never been there but want to go! :) ) on my computer desktop at work..

I used to have one of these pics as my background for my laptop :cool:

PH-BFN
PH-BFG

superdawg Jul 14, 2006 9:01 am

Here's a couple more of that really low KLM action:

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5769968
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5769962

FlyingCarpet Jul 14, 2006 10:56 am

WOW!!!

I considered going to SXM for our Honeymoon but decided on OGG instead...Wish I'd known I could get that close to the landing approach we would have definitely gone to SXM.

Looks like a great place for our 1 year anniversary!!!

The Winger Jul 14, 2006 11:13 am

Those are some stunning shots, thanks to everyone for posting the links.

BlackBird Jul 15, 2006 5:12 am


Originally Posted by CPRich
Takeoffs from that end - engine power with brakes on (need a fast climb due to the mountain on the island) was interesting for folks who forgot to get out of the way also.

Do you mean like this? :D

http://www.break.com/index/plane_blows_beach_away.html

herzmeh Jul 17, 2006 12:02 pm


Originally Posted by KMHT FF
Those onlookers are nuts for standing there - if a plane does a go-around they are pretty much toast blasted out to sea.

I think I'd poo myself...

UAVirgin Jul 17, 2006 12:18 pm

Keep in mind that a zoom lens will make objects appear closer than they actually are. That doesn't change the fact that the runway is close to the beach, but that the plane and people may not be as close to each other as they appear.

Some very impressive pictures regardless.

CPRich Jul 17, 2006 4:48 pm


Originally Posted by BlackBird

That's precisely the video I had in mind - I haven't seen it in a couple of years. But it's still funny.

Globaliser Jul 18, 2006 2:02 pm


Originally Posted by superdawg

Looks like he wasn't many feet away from doing some nasty damage to his gear and tyres.

I thought that touching down before the displaced threshold was a no-no, whatever the reason? Something to do with pavement loadings not always being up to the same level as on the runway proper.

CPRich Jul 18, 2006 7:26 pm


Originally Posted by Globaliser
Looks like he wasn't many feet away from doing some nasty damage to his gear and tyres.

I thought that touching down before the displaced threshold was a no-no, whatever the reason? Something to do with pavement loadings not always being up to the same level as on the runway proper.


Looking at the phot closely, and remembering the layout, I think he's still 50 feet or so in the air and not yet over land. The compressed point-of-view of the lens makes it appear that the wheels are about to touch down on the very right edge of the runway. In fact, the wheels and right of the runway are just in a line when the picture was shot.

I suspect he will pass over the fence just to the right of the small group of spectators on the left.

Another famous example - these planes aren't actually crashing - http://www.jetphotos.net/images/l/LH....jpg.60983.jpg - the United flight is several hundred feet ahead of the other jet - they're just inline with the camera.

Tsukiji Jul 18, 2006 7:43 pm


Ok - you got me. Wow! That is neat!

LarryJ Jul 18, 2006 7:45 pm


Originally Posted by Globaliser
I thought that touching down before the displaced threshold was a no-no, whatever the reason? Something to do with pavement loadings not always being up to the same level as on the runway proper.

The displaced threshold is due to obstacles in the approach path.

Globaliser Jul 19, 2006 9:07 am


Originally Posted by LarryJ
The displaced threshold is due to obstacles in the approach path.

So it's OK to touch down on the underrun area here, then? Fair enough. Thanks!

etch5895 Jul 19, 2006 9:25 am

St Maarten is a really neat trip. There is a bar at the end of the runway that you can see in the photos called the sunset beach bar, which is a great place to drink beer and watch the planes come and go.

They even have speakers on their deck which broadcast the ATC traffic. The heavies come and go between about 1200 and 17-1800 timeframe. All day you get the silly little Carib air puddle jumpers. AF flies the A340, Corsair and KLM both run 747s in and out, US-DL-AA all run 757 service, and CO flies both 757s and 737s in / out. Great fun for an afternoon.

LarryJ Jul 19, 2006 9:11 pm


Originally Posted by Globaliser
So it's OK to touch down on the underrun area here, then?

Okay? No. The paved area prior to the displaced threshold is not available for landing. It is available for taxi, takeoff and roll-out only. I was just pointing out the reason for the displaced threshold.

Wouldn't be the first time someone touched down a little early, though...

ContinentalFan Jul 19, 2006 10:36 pm


Originally Posted by KMHT FF
Those onlookers are nuts for standing there - if a plane does a go-around they are pretty much toast blasted out to sea.

Now that would be a photo! Well, I've never actually flown on a 747, but I have flown thanks to one. ;)


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