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BamaVol Jun 13, 2006 4:21 pm

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Originally Posted by rhwbullhead
Sounds like Manhattan to me. I kept giggling when I was there last week b/c at every light, someone 4-5 cars back would beep when the light turned green, even if everyone had started moving.

Speaking of NYC, I didn't know right turns on red were illegal (unless permitted by sign). Fortunately, my cousin explained that before I went out driving by myself. I have to say that I felt weird sitting at intersections and not turning on red.

Just pretend you're 80 years old. :D

woodg Jun 13, 2006 4:24 pm

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Originally Posted by remyontheroad
I've driven in a few countries around the world - not sure if I can remember which ones off the top of my head, but I'm sure they're out there - where people actually drive on the WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD!!

You have no idea how many accidents they almost caused that way, when I was just minding my own business, driving on the RIGHT side of the road and they came head on at me IN MY LANE!

I'm from Australia and when I travel to the USA all of the drivers seem intent on driving straight t me. I've taken to driving a Hummer just to make my way around town. :D

aisleorwindow Jun 13, 2006 4:41 pm

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Originally Posted by WHBM
Yellow aspects of traffic signals are indeed known officially as "amber" in the UK.

I believe the starting sequence of UK signals, Red - Red and Amber - Green is unique to the UK, I have not seen it elsewhere in the world.

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In Israel the light changes to amber before it changes to green as well.

Bigez747 Sep 4, 2006 12:37 am

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Originally Posted by g_leyser
In Israel the light changes to amber before it changes to green as well.

In some places in Russia it does the same thing. First time I saw it I thought that the light was broken, but my driver said it is a warning that the light is about to change. And they do that because many Russian drivers put the car into neutral at red lights. :rolleyes:

WHBM Sep 4, 2006 12:46 am

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Originally Posted by Bigez747
And they do that because many Russian drivers put the car into neutral at red lights. :rolleyes:

And in many other countries of the world. In the UK, when taking your driving examination, if you don't go into neutral and apply your handbrake while waiting at the signals you will be failed.

IceTrojan Sep 4, 2006 1:01 am

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Originally Posted by taygalchi
The California "Creep":

I also learned not to "block the box" when driving in NYC. In L.A., I got yelled at for not blocking the box. :confused:

You mean... no one else creeps? And I shouldn't have honked at all those people in the rest of the country?

And yes, I hate it when anyone doesn't go into the intersection, especially when I'm behind them.

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Originally Posted by WHBM
I believe the starting sequence of UK signals, Red - Red and Amber - Green is unique to the UK, I have not seen it elsewhere in the world.

I saw it around Lake Geneva as well. Of course, coming from LA I took it as an opportunity to accelerate a split second earlier.

winkydink Sep 4, 2006 8:23 am

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Originally Posted by redbeard911
In China it is common to cross over the double yellow to pass. Also, when turning left, instead of cars turning in series, they will turn in parallel when there is an openin. It's not uncommon for three cars to be turning left at the same time.

Oh, and that stupid horn thing. :mad:

My experience with China is that the lines and lights on the roads are merely "suggestions"

Loren Pechtel Sep 4, 2006 9:22 am

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Originally Posted by winkydink
My experience with China is that the lines and lights on the roads are merely "suggestions"

They seem to actually mean something in heavy traffic. In light traffic they don't mean much.

They also don't mean anything to right turners most of the time. I was nearly hit by a bus last trip. I was crossing the street, the light was in my favor. The offending bus was in the *LEFT* turn lane and people normally don't make lefts on red there. This guy was making a *RIGHT* turn, though!

Teacher49 Sep 4, 2006 10:06 am

The amber before red is a signal for drivers in Switzerland to re-start their engine. I believe it is the law that motors must be turned off if you are not in the first few cars at the head of the line while waiting at a red light.

Air quality issue.

cpx Sep 4, 2006 10:33 am

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Originally Posted by Teacher49
The amber before red is a signal for drivers in Switzerland to re-start their engine. I believe it is the law that motors must be turned off if you are not in the first few cars at the head of the line while waiting at a red light.

Air quality issue.

and they highly discourage you from letting the vehicle engine idle for
a long time and I've seen general public support this very well.

spd Sep 4, 2006 2:46 pm

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Originally Posted by simon stingray
South Africa
Slow moving vehicles will drive in the hard shoulder/emergency lane of the freeway to allow faster moving vehicles to pass-this is unheard of and quite a serious offence here in the UK.

This is commonplace in the Republic of Ireland also. Is really useful, especially as the country has a lot of single carriageway low quality roads.

Also, is commplace to use your hazard warning lights to thank such a vehicle who in return flashes their lights to acknowledge your thanks (I think that is what they mean anyway)

Sean

Efrem Sep 4, 2006 3:27 pm

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Originally Posted by spd
...Also, is commplace to use your hazard warning lights to thank such a vehicle who in return flashes their lights to acknowledge your thanks (I think that is what they mean anyway)...

Using hazard warning lights (you let them blink on three times) as a "thank you" is sometimes seen in the States as a car-based alternative to the trucker tradition of blinking the clearance lights. (Those are the lights around the edges of the trailer that show how far it extends.) It can be wasted effort because few people except truckers know what it means, but it's a good way to thank a trucker for flashing his headlights to let you know when it's safe to return to the right lane after passing.

dimramon Sep 5, 2006 2:55 am

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Originally Posted by jpdx
Priority from the right makes perfect sense -- it's a very effective traffic calming tool (when used correctly), and I consider it much less obnoxious than the all-way stop in the US.

I agree with you on this one. You have to be careful though because some drivers will exercise that right no matter what, and just come blazing out of a side street.
I have a hard time remembering that I can't make a turn on red when I'm in Belgium though :)

badtrav Sep 5, 2006 11:25 am

In Pakistan: Not using lights while driving at night. Which is very helpful considering that people also will walk in the middle of the street at night, even if there is a sidewalk.

davidcalgary29 Sep 5, 2006 11:47 am

Alberta: legislated rubbernecking.

It's now an offence to drive more than 50 km/hr past emergency vehicles that, while stopped at the side of an undivided highway, have their emergency equipment activiated. Of course, this has just codified the previous popular practice of blocking traffic flow to inspect minor fender-benders, roadkill, and assorted highway detritus slowly from the safety and comfort of one's own car. :p

KMHT FF Sep 5, 2006 6:59 pm

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Originally Posted by timstravel
1. Yielding to oncoming traffic making a left turn across your lane. Sure makes you feel good about yourself, who cares about the twenty cars behind you that have to come to a stop in support of your altruism. This is even better if there are 2 lanes in your direction, because then cars passing you on the right can easily collide with the one that you've encouraged to turn.

2. Making left turns from the right lane. You just drive down the right side of the line of cars waiting to turn, on the shoulder if need be, then at the last minute activate your turn signal thereby giving you the power to not have to wait like everyone else.

3. Making left turns across intersecting traffic by pulling out and blocking the rightbound oncoming lanes, then stopping and waiting for a chance to merge into the leftbound traffic no matter how long it takes.

4. Going straight across 80-90% of an intersection before deciding to turn left, instead of starting the turn as soon as possible. Maybe this is because they have lots of rotaries (traffic circles) up here?

5. Going the wrong way down a one-way street because otherwise you'd have to go around the block and your time is too valuable for that.

6. Double or triple parking.

7. Parking at an intersection so that others can't see oncoming traffic.

8. Stopping in moving traffic to let vehicles enter the roadway from right or left intersecting streets even though they are waiting at a stop sign. See #1, above.

9. Swerving into oncoming lanes because there is a car parked at the side of the road, no matter how much room you have to pass. After all, what would you rather do - sideswipe a parked car or head-on a semi? It's a no-brainer, like most of the drivers here! :D

10. Speeding thru yellow and even red lights, creating gridlock.

11. Jamming to beat the other driver out in a merge-to-one-lane, creating yet another traffic jam from the ensuing bottleneck.

This is why the Big Dig will never work - you can fix the infrastructure all you want but it won't do a thing if the people are vociferously stupid.

Sanosuke Sep 5, 2006 7:12 pm

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Originally Posted by davidcalgary29
Alberta: legislated rubbernecking.

It's now an offence to drive more than 50 km/hr past emergency vehicles that, while stopped at the side of an undivided highway, have their emergency equipment activiated. Of course, this has just codified the previous popular practice of blocking traffic flow to inspect minor fender-benders, roadkill, and assorted highway detritus slowly from the safety and comfort of one's own car. :p

A bit of slowdown won't hurt you, DavidCalgary29. Slow down and you'll live longer. :D ;)

Sanosuke!

ALARISstl Sep 5, 2006 9:00 pm

Midwest top 10 list
 
I have a few habits that really piss midwesterners off.

1. Driving 75+ in the inside freeway lane.

2. Flashing my brights at those not traveling 75 in the inside lane

3. Blow my horn when someone dosn't take off fast enough when the light changes green

4. The "California creep"

5. Blow my horn when someone moves in front of me that is not traveling as fast as I am

6. Using the right turn lane even though I plan on going straight so I get the holeshot (learned this in CA)

7. Passing on the shoulder

8. Blow my horn as I blow thru a yellow/red light to warn others (also learned this in CA)

9. Slam on my brakes when the person behind me is to close

10. I wave and smile whenever I piss someone else off, this further upsets them (more so than flipping the finger back)

(I've been driving for 22 years and have never had an at-fault accident, I've had my fair share of speeding tickets though) :p

BamaVol Sep 6, 2006 7:05 am

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Originally Posted by ALARISstl
I have a few habits that really piss midwesterners off.

1. Driving 75+ in the inside freeway lane.

2. Flashing my brights at those not traveling 75 in the inside lane

3. Blow my horn when someone dosn't take off fast enough when the light changes green

4. The "California creep"

5. Blow my horn when someone moves in front of me that is not traveling as fast as I am

6. Using the right turn lane even though I plan on going straight so I get the holeshot (learned this in CA)

7. Passing on the shoulder

8. Blow my horn as I blow thru a yellow/red light to warn others (also learned this in CA)

9. Slam on my brakes when the person behind me is to close

10. I wave and smile whenever I piss someone else off, this further upsets them (more so than flipping the finger back)

(I've been driving for 22 years and have never had an at-fault accident, I've had my fair share of speeding tickets though) :p

Don't expect a crowd at your wake. :td:

fastflyer Sep 6, 2006 7:43 am

In Hartford County, Connecticut: left turn signals are employed only after the car turning left has come to a complete stop in the travel lane at the intersection where the car is turning left. Why give any warning to those behind you?

joseph-GLA Sep 6, 2006 7:51 am

In Scotland we wave to another driver if he or she gives way to us on a norrow road or if there is traffic calming measures. We also flash our hazard lights if someone lets us in infront of them. Flashing headlights like someone else said can mean a million things in the UK. We also indicate right if we are going round a round about and then left to exit.

In South Dakota it is law that if there is a car stopped on the hard shoulder you must pass it in the fast lane to give more clearance. I suppose it makes the shoulder safer and makes it easier to tell if someone plans to stop.

cpx Sep 6, 2006 7:53 am

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Originally Posted by ALARISstl
I have a few habits that really piss midwesterners off.

1. Driving 75+ in the inside freeway lane.

2. Flashing my brights at those not traveling 75 in the inside lane

3. Blow my horn when someone dosn't take off fast enough when the light changes green

4. The "California creep"

5. Blow my horn when someone moves in front of me that is not traveling as fast as I am

6. Using the right turn lane even though I plan on going straight so I get the holeshot (learned this in CA)

7. Passing on the shoulder

8. Blow my horn as I blow thru a yellow/red light to warn others (also learned this in CA)

9. Slam on my brakes when the person behind me is to close

10. I wave and smile whenever I piss someone else off, this further upsets them (more so than flipping the finger back)

(I've been driving for 22 years and have never had an at-fault accident, I've had my fair share of speeding tickets though) :p

may I suggest decaf?

stevenshev Sep 6, 2006 8:21 am

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Originally Posted by BamaVol
Don't expect a crowd at your wake. :td:

Stop. That's mean. There will be a crowd...to make sure that he's actually dead.

I kid. I do most of those (not the really bad ones---e.g. slamming on brakes when being tailgated or using the shoulder to pass), and these are often a result of bad driving on the part of others that causes slightly more aggressive evasive action. I never have to do these things in Germany, or even Italy, where people actually know how to drive, though at times it may not seem like it.


Anyway, back to the OP. The craziest, weirdest, and simultaneously best traffic custom award goes to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Zeichen_282.png

Teacher49 Sep 6, 2006 10:35 am

I find it odd that in most of the US, when I signal a lane change, the driver in the other lane accomodates.

In California, it is great fun to control the speed of other drivers: signal a lane change, they speed up to prevent it. Passes the time. ;)

As to Italy, I agree: they know how to drive. The style there reminds of people exiting from a theater - very free form but orderly at the same time. I like it. I feel I can trust the other drivers on the road much more there.

Detroiter Sep 6, 2006 11:13 am

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Originally Posted by fastflyer
In Hartford County, Connecticut: left turn signals are employed only after the car turning left has come to a complete stop in the travel lane at the intersection where the car is turning left. Why give any warning to those behind you?

And here I thought Michigan had a monopoly on this one. It's mostly seen at intersections on two-lane roads with no left-turn lane, and is most effectively employed when the first car in line has to stop for a red light, only turning on the turn signal after the light has turned green.

The Michigan right-plus-U-turn equals left took some getting used to, but I grew up in New Jersey, land of the jug-handle, and they amount to the same thing. The Michigan interpretation is more fun, though, because whereas in New Jersey you only have to stop for two red lights to make the left turn, in Michigan you might have to stop for three, depending on swiftness of the drivers ahead of you.

Michigan also has its share of freeway exits out of the fast lane, but also has entrances into the fast lane. Lots of fun if you're cruising along at, say, 75, and encounter a semi wanting to merge into your lane doing maybe 35, to say nothing of the hijinks that ensue when said semi tries to move across three lanes to get to the right lane.

Traveller Sep 6, 2006 11:57 am

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Originally Posted by BigBopper
The custom here in NY is to drive with a fist with the middle finger extended. :D

I have a new client in Queens and this is the reaction I'm getting to my driving. :eek: :( Can't NY drivers be a little more understanding and patient when they see out of state plates on rental cars? When I get to an intersection, I'd like more than a second to decide if I need to turn left, right or go straight. Sometimes directions can be misleading and vague. :)

OT question (well I suppose my whole post is slightly OT). How often do NY drivers have to replace the horn on their cars?

cpx Sep 6, 2006 2:08 pm

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Originally Posted by Traveller
I have a new client in Queens and this is the reaction I'm getting to my driving. :eek: :( Can't NY drivers be a little more understanding and patient when they see out of state plates on rental cars? When I get to an intersection, I'd like more than a second to decide if I need to turn left, right or go straight. Sometimes directions can be misleading and vague. :)

OT question (well I suppose my whole post is slightly OT). How often do NY drivers have to replace the horn on their cars?

There are only two options here:

Either it might be a NJ driver in New York... or your rental car
has an NJ plate. :)

Life of the horn depends on how many New Jersey drivers we encounter :)
j/k I'm a New York driver and I rarely use the car horn. There are
enough people around to do the job for you.

JimC Sep 7, 2006 7:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Detroiter
And here I thought Michigan had a monopoly on this one. It's mostly seen at intersections on two-lane roads with no left-turn lane, and is most effectively employed when the first car in line has to stop for a red light, only turning on the turn signal after the light has turned green.

The Michigan right-plus-U-turn equals left took some getting used to, but I grew up in New Jersey, land of the jug-handle, and they amount to the same thing. The Michigan interpretation is more fun, though, because whereas in New Jersey you only have to stop for two red lights to make the left turn, in Michigan you might have to stop for three, depending on swiftness of the drivers ahead of you.

Michigan also has its share of freeway exits out of the fast lane, but also has entrances into the fast lane. Lots of fun if you're cruising along at, say, 75, and encounter a semi wanting to merge into your lane doing maybe 35, to say nothing of the hijinks that ensue when said semi tries to move across three lanes to get to the right lane.

When driving in Michigan earlier this year, in Midland specifically, the flashing red lights for left turns were very confusing to me. Turning left at busy intersections on a red (flashing) just seems wrong. What's the problem with a green arrow or green light?

Don't think I've seen something similar to that anywhere else in the world!

Pufnstuf Sep 7, 2006 11:35 pm

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Originally Posted by JimC
When driving in Michigan earlier this year, in Midland specifically, the flashing red lights for left turns were very confusing to me. Turning left at busy intersections on a red (flashing) just seems wrong. What's the problem with a green arrow or green light?

Don't think I've seen something similar to that anywhere else in the world!

I've seen something similar in Toronto, and presume it's true in the rest of Canada.

DeafFlyer Sep 8, 2006 11:54 am

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Originally Posted by JimC
When driving in Michigan earlier this year, in Midland specifically, the flashing red lights for left turns were very confusing to me. Turning left at busy intersections on a red (flashing) just seems wrong. What's the problem with a green arrow or green light?

Don't think I've seen something similar to that anywhere else in the world!

A flashing red arrow would mean it's okay to turn left after coming to a stop, and making sure it is safe to do so. (like a stop sign) What's so confusing about that? I hate when you get a red arrow, that doesn't flash, when there are no oncoming cars and you have to sit there and wait.

FliesWay2Much Sep 8, 2006 12:22 pm

Some of my "favorites"

Pennsylvanians who insist on coming to a complete stop on freeway on-ramps.

People who don't pull into an intersection for a left turn at a light that is not a green-arrow light.

Sicily -- Use of a turn signal depends on the age of the driver. Younger driver: Left turn signal means I'm turing left. Older driver: Left turn signal means I'm turning right and it's OK to pass me on the left.

California -- Their annoying habit of rolling down their window and sticking out their hands to signal you to wait for them to pull out or cut you off.

Finally, I wish US cars had rear fog lights like European cars.

secretbunnyboy Sep 8, 2006 1:45 pm

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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
Finally, I wish US cars had rear fog lights like European cars.

I wish US cars' turn signals flashed orange instead of red. It's *such* a terrible design that (traditional) US light clusters go red when a) braking b) turning and c) driving in wet or dark conditions. At a half-second glance, it just makes it much harder to tell whether someone is turning or slowing down.

snorkmaster Sep 9, 2006 1:22 am

From my experiences...

Drivers in (and just south of) San Francisco on 101 and 280 seem to think that the left lane is reserved for those desiring to go 10 miles an hour below the speed limit.

Merging drivers in Michigan seem incapable of controlling their car speed to arrive at the merge point before or after you (as the driver in the right lane) reach it -- rather, they become belligerent when you don't slow down to accomodate them. (I always try to move over if I can, but it's not always possible.)

While not an odd driving custom, I would like to add that I'm consistently impressed with Brazilian drivers. While many are aggressive, they all seem to get along pretty well on the road -- slow pokes move over when someone comes up from behind, multiple cars passing one vehicle almost do so gracefully, drivers make space if you're in the middle of a tight pass, etc.

In contrast, on a recent trip to Malaysia, I was floored by the low quality of the drivers, particularly their habit of slowing down to a crawl in the driving lane before making a left turn (rather than using the shoulder.)

Loose Cannon Sep 9, 2006 1:47 am

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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
Some of my "favorites"

Pennsylvanians who insist on coming to a complete stop on freeway on-ramps..

On Interstate 70 between Washington, PA and where it merges with the Pennsylvania Turnpike in New Stanton, PA there are some on-ramps that have absolutely no room whatsoever to merge. On some of the on-ramps there is a stop sign so drivers HAVE to come to a complete stop and wait until they can safely enter the freeway. That is poor design and as far as I am concerned a safety issue. I try to avoid that stretch but when I have to take it I make it a point to plan my trip so I do NOT exit Interstate 70 between Washington and New Stanton because as bad as it is for cars, it is much worse for trucks enter the highway from a complete stop and take forever to accelerate while going through as much as ten gears. The speed limit on this stretch is mostly 55mph with a stretch posted at 45mph.

Loren Pechtel Sep 9, 2006 9:21 am

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Originally Posted by JimC
When driving in Michigan earlier this year, in Midland specifically, the flashing red lights for left turns were very confusing to me. Turning left at busy intersections on a red (flashing) just seems wrong. What's the problem with a green arrow or green light?

Don't think I've seen something similar to that anywhere else in the world!

Flashing red is the equivalent of a stop sign. What's the problem?

Loren Pechtel Sep 9, 2006 9:23 am

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Originally Posted by secretbunnyboy
I wish US cars' turn signals flashed orange instead of red. It's *such* a terrible design that (traditional) US light clusters go red when a) braking b) turning and c) driving in wet or dark conditions. At a half-second glance, it just makes it much harder to tell whether someone is turning or slowing down.

I do agree it's a bad design but I don't think orange is the right color--it wouldn't be of much help to those of us who are color-weak. How about blue?

snorkmaster Sep 9, 2006 9:53 am

I do think the "flashing red ultimately changes to a green arrow" that's found in Michigan isn't something that I have seen elsewhere.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
Flashing red is the equivalent of a stop sign. What's the problem?


Jamarynn1 Sep 9, 2006 5:53 pm

In Florida:
Driving 35 miles on the highway with the left turn signal on. Mostly seen in the..um..."age-challenged" set.

Stopping when the light turns red is considered merely optional. It's not at all uncommon to see six cars go through a red light. You'll see one driver stop for the light and the driver behind them whip around and run the light.

Kiwi Flyer Sep 9, 2006 11:15 pm

Some of the motorway onramps in Auckland NZ have traffic lights (on the ramp). There used to be an offramp from the fast lane (one of the busiest in the country and caused lots of headaches due to lots of traffic crossing several lanes over from an onramp a couple of miles back) - that has now been fixed. There is a stretch in the central city with on and off ramps every few hundred metres - very messy.

CrazyOne Sep 10, 2006 8:33 am

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Originally Posted by secretbunnyboy
I wish US cars' turn signals flashed orange instead of red. It's *such* a terrible design that (traditional) US light clusters go red when a) braking b) turning and c) driving in wet or dark conditions. At a half-second glance, it just makes it much harder to tell whether someone is turning or slowing down.

It would be better if it were consistent, I would agree. In the US we get a mix of amber and red turn signals (in the rear; the fronts are always amber). It's not even just US-branded cars. I have a Japanese car sitting downstairs that has red turn signals in the back. It may only be that way for the US market, though.

That said, I haven't found it to be a big problem. The only time I've seen it be a problem is when someone is tapping the brakes on and off with one brake light out. Then it can at first glance look like a turn signal instead. Otherwise the differentiation is still clear enough to me. The red brake lights are *much* brighter than the ordinary rear running lights. They have to be to be distinguishable at night.


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