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You have rights
Being able to recline your seat is the passengers rights noone can stop them. I will refuse to be on an overseas flight where a person says I cannot recline my seat. I need to be able to snooze the best I can in coach. If the passenger raises holly grail I would stand to my terms and say to the flight attendant go find me a seat in Business Class or First Class as I need to recline and sleep. If not I would recline my seat. If I'm a passenger of size I would get a seat in a better location of the a/c. I would need to recline myself to get comfortable.
It's very rude to ask not to have the seat be put in an upright position unless it's meal time. I never have problems knock on wood with legroom in coach. But on a 16 hour flight I cannot and I repeat will not sit up straight. I booked my seat in a reclining seat and damn it thats what I'll get! |
Originally Posted by NNH
Can we include the weekly whine about excessive carry-on luggage too? ;)
But seriously there is no reason most things can't be checked. |
Originally Posted by pinniped
By the way, major props for weaving Coach Reclining and Fat Passengers into the same thread. ^ All we have to do now is integrate noisy toddlers into this and we have a TravelBuzz triple play.
Mods? :D |
This thread reminds me of a movie called Last Holiday, where Queen Latifah complaints when the guy in front of her reclined his seat
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Instead of telling my recent horror story about this seats (small children, 13 hour flight in ECO etc); I'll just say I was told by the person behind me that I had to put my seat up since it reclined the most in the whole plane ;)
I laughed and put it up half way... (I love a good lie). |
It is bothersome that we have at times in this thread referred to those too-wide, too tall, or too not-perfect-in-some-other-way passengers in such derogatory and, to many, offensive and incendiary terms. I prefer to think of such passengers as simply "ill-fitting." That descriptor seems to cover the spectrum of possibilities, encourages one to consider responsibility as shared between the sitter and the seat, and minimizes all those harsh inferences that can so rankle the human spirit. I offer this thought in the spirit of good will to all and eternal dedication to political correctness. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by danielonn
I will refuse to be on an overseas flight where a person says I cannot recline my seat.
Maybe consider a Gulfstream V? Those have pretty good range. |
Originally Posted by upgrader
I prefer to think of such passengers as simply "ill-fitting." That descriptor seems to cover the spectrum of possibilities, encourages one to consider responsibility as shared between the sitter and the seat, and minimizes all those harsh inferences that can so rankle the human spirit. I offer this thought in the spirit of good will to all and eternal dedication to political correctness. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Jamoldo
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You bought it up again, Tim ;). This was interesting though. I think next time I will be more assertive. While being "courteous" has started to lose many of its benefits, I will continue to be such but more assertive.
I think the reply someone sent, stating that I would push upright "if the person behind me convinced the person in front of me to do so" was clever, because I was pretty da&^ed uncomfortable for those 4-5 hours. |
What do people here generally do if you recline gingerely, but guy/gal behind you starts kicking/pressing your seat to try and get you to un-recline? Obviously, you can't really start a fight. And complaining only works if the FA is really inclined to make a big deal of it.
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Originally Posted by slipperyslope
I just can't believe the bad attitudes being expressed here. regardless of whether you are on a plane or not, how about just being nice to other people.
The original poster knew his seat recline caused the passenger behind discomfort, so don't recline. Simple. Some people don't ask politely initially, because they just don't have the communication skills, and find any situation like that difficult to deal with. The fact the passenger was over weight is pretty irrelevant, do you know why the person was overweight? there are many possible explanations, including medication, cancer therapy, metabolic imbalance. Not everyone who is overweight eats donuts all day long, but even if they did it is NO EXCUSE for sh*tty behaviour. Everyone has faults. Most of what I have seen in this thread is based around petty prejudices, and an "I don't give a **** about anyone else" attitude. Jeez, what is up with you people. Try being nice to people, it really works, and is a helluva lot less stressful. It also means you don't need to ask silly questions about whether or not you should recline your seat, as the answer is pretty bl***ing obvious. For someone so concerned about being nice to people, your language sure is coming on strong, even with the *****s. Perhaps you should take your own advice? Quite interesting. How about giving the poster a break? His question was very nicely posted. To our poster: It is a very difficult situation you've described. You were very kind, and had to be in an uncomfotable position for 2 hours for your kindness. VERY nice of you - and I mean that! Most are not so nice. And had you NOT been nice, they likely would have made things miserable for you anyway, by kneeing the seat, pushing on it, etc... for 2 hours. This is a no-win situation, unless the person in front of you doesn't recline. But we can't expect the whole plane NOT to recline for one person who is too big to fit into the seat properly, right? Domino effect, anyone? |
Originally Posted by cszulc
I actually have to agree with this, really I do. There is really no point to reclining away, all you're getting is an extra inch or so in coach. Abolish the reclining "features".
And I say this as a 6'0, 190-pound man in decent shape, not as someone trying to accommodate an extra 50 or 80 pounds in E-. |
Originally Posted by Moelstrom
And I say this as a 6'0, 190-pound man in decent shape, not as someone trying to accommodate an extra 50 or 80 pounds in E-.
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From the FAA Website
"There is no FAA regulatory requirement for a passenger seat to recline."
This was posted as a response as to whether the FAA endorses the use of the "Knee Defender" - it falls outside of the FAA jurisdiction. It's at www.faa.gov under FAQ's and the search word is "knee". I wonder where this comes from within the FAA and what the implications are for flyers? |
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