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Would you say the same if you had just paid GBP 200 return for a one-hour flight, which is not uncommon when you're travelling peak time? |
Originally Posted by colmc
The vast majority, who book ahead don't pay thoise prices. Peak time cheap seats will always be rare and snapped up quick (on pretty much any airline).
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The two times I've suggested flying Ryanair anywhere to my wife, once we've picked ourselves up off the floor from laughing so hard, wiped the tears from our eyes, we went ahead and booked ourselves on BA :D
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This seems a bit self-contradictory. If "peak time cheap seats will always be rare", how do the "vast majority, who book ahead" manage not to pay the higher prices ? As the time of departure approaches and the plane fills up, most of the seats in the cheaper price bands are long gone, and you are purchasing seats in the higher price bands. The majority of seats on LCC's will normally be sold in advance and at the cheaper prices, meaning that most of the passengers will have obtained a fare which represents much better value than someone buying last minute seats at a higher cost. |
I think we all understand yield management.
What you're describing is a situation where peak time cheap seats are not "rare". They simply tend to sell earlier than on non-peak flights. I have no idea whether or not this is true on FR, and I don't think I'm itching to find out. |
Originally Posted by Aviatrix
One person's "in the middle of nowhere" is another person's home town. If you're trying to get to Sandefjord or Lübeck Ryanair will take you exactly where you want to be...
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Originally Posted by jacob_m
Very true, I'm sure there are many people benefiting from these new routes, but then they should write they're flying to Lübeck and not to Hamburg.
The same thing can be said about Stockholm, Ryanair flies to Västerås ("Stockholm north") and Nyköping ("Stockholm south"). These are two completely separate medium-sized cities with no connection whatsoever to the Swedish capital and it's a joke they're even allowed to call them Stockholm in the first place. The travel time from the latter one to Stockholm city is about 1.5 hours by bus!!! LHR and LCY are the only two airports inside the M25. LTN - 34 miles north of London but called London Luton LGW - 29 miles south of London but classed as London Gatwick STN - 38 miles north-east or so of London but called London Stansted Also PIK - Glasgow Prestwick - 32 miles south west of Glasgow !!! |
Originally Posted by Aleks
So this also applies to London, UK then?
LHR and LCY are the only two airports inside the M25. LTN - 34 miles north of London but called London Luton LGW - 29 miles south of London but classed as London Gatwick STN - 38 miles north-east or so of London but called London Stansted Also PIK - Glasgow Prestwick - 32 miles south west of Glasgow !!! LBC,on the other hand, is not an out-of-town airport for the city of Hamburg. It belongs to the city of Lübeck (a city, not a suburb of Hamburg). Calling it "Hamburg Lübeck" is like referring to Liverpool Airport as "Manchester Liverpool" (or vice versa!). Ryanair thinks it can just steal an airport from Town A and give it to Town B... |
Originally Posted by Aviatrix
Ryanair thinks it can just steal an airport from Town A and give it to Town B...
But at least they've stopped (been made to stop?) that. |
Originally Posted by Globaliser
Actually, mostly by charging pax like WHBM. A goodly chunk of the airline's profit is made from the last handful of seats sold on each aircraft.
You can see the same thing if you look at Independence Air's rationale for leaving SJC (widely published). They couldn't get many last-minute full-fare paying pax to buy the last few seats on those flights, so the route didn't make much money. However, at SFO, they can - so SJC got the chop. In contrast, the free seats tend to be on flights that would never have been full anyway, or to be seats which would otherwise have been sold for very little money anyway - so the actual cost of the promotion is relatively small. |
Originally Posted by GWU ESIA STUDENT
Just about every other airline on operates on this same premise. They don't make money from the person paying $150 return on a 1000 mile trip who booked 6 months out. They make the money on the two or three people who had to book 6 hours before the flight left and might have paid $1000+ return for the same seat.
Try to complain about anything to Ryanair, no matter how justified, and the stock reply is "But we are the cheapest". |
Originally Posted by GWU ESIA STUDENT
Just about every other airline on operates on this same premise. They don't make money from the person paying $150 return on a 1000 mile trip who booked 6 months out. They make the money on the two or three people who had to book 6 hours before the flight left and might have paid $1000+ return for the same seat.
But most major/network airlines don't. They tend to make their profits from selling premium cabin seats for premium fares, whether they're sold earlier or later in the sales cycle. The economy cabins are basically cost-paying fodder which, if they can be sufficiently filled, allow the airline to fly more premium seats on any particular route. |
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