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OutOfOffice Apr 15, 2005 7:14 pm

Have you managed to avoid CRJ's?
 
I've noticed in the three airline forums I frequent most, NW/CO/DL, one of the bigger gripes is the slow creep in regional jet service. I actually managed to never fly one until about two years ago, but now seem to end up on them a few times a year. I still try to avoid them at all costs, but has any one managed to avoid them 100% on domestic mainline flying (WN & Jetblue of course don't count! :) ).

eggepop Apr 15, 2005 7:27 pm

fly out of hubs

or just don't go to cities served by CRJs

WRCSolberg Apr 16, 2005 12:25 pm

Are you talking CRJs specifically or RJs in general?

I'd actually rather fly on an RJ to certain destinations. You don't have to wait for people to store their carry ons, the one seat side on ERJs is nice and you don't have to wait half an hour to get off the plane when you arrive. The lack of space doesn't bother me too much either.

da_guy Apr 16, 2005 1:12 pm


Originally Posted by WRCSolberg
Are you talking CRJs specifically or RJs in general?

I'd actually rather fly on an RJ to certain destinations. You don't have to wait for people to store their carry ons, the one seat side on ERJs is nice and you don't have to wait half an hour to get off the plane when you arrive. The lack of space doesn't bother me too much either.

Have to agree with you. RJ flights always seem to be more smooth for me too. I think the gripes mentioned are the slow creep of RJs on long flights in which case a 3-4 hr flight on an RJ can be tough.

bursa Apr 16, 2005 8:46 pm

Don't mind RJs. They're nice and comfy, no real downside.

civicmon Apr 16, 2005 10:49 pm

i dont mind'em either frankly...

graraps Apr 17, 2005 2:44 am

ERJ vs CRJ
 
RJs aren't that popular with European airlines, so I've only flown 'em 3-4 times.
I didn't like the CRJ...Too cramped...
But the Avro was satisfactory
And the ERJ probably was the smoothest and most comfortable Y experience I've ever enjoyed. :cool:

USA_flyer Apr 17, 2005 3:33 am


Originally Posted by graraps
RJs aren't that popular with European airlines, so I've only flown 'em 3-4 times.
I didn't like the CRJ...Too cramped...
But the Avro was satisfactory
And the ERJ probably was the smoothest and most comfortable Y experience I've ever enjoyed. :cool:

Agreed. The Embraers are very nice little planes.

PTravel Apr 17, 2005 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by OutOfOffice
I've noticed in the three airline forums I frequent most, NW/CO/DL, one of the bigger gripes is the slow creep in regional jet service. I actually managed to never fly one until about two years ago, but now seem to end up on them a few times a year. I still try to avoid them at all costs, but has any one managed to avoid them 100% on domestic mainline flying (WN & Jetblue of course don't count! :) ).

I've never flown on one and, hopefully, I never will. I go to great lengths to avoid commuter planes -- I'll fly different carriers, even to the point of forgoing needed points for status, or I'll rent a car and drive.

Aviatrix Apr 17, 2005 1:27 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel
I've never flown on one and, hopefully, I never will. I go to great lengths to avoid commuter planes -- I'll fly different carriers, even to the point of forgoing needed points for status, or I'll rent a car and drive.

Why???

(How can you judge something you've never tried?)

PTravel Apr 17, 2005 2:20 pm


Originally Posted by Aviatrix
Why???

(How can you judge something you've never tried?)

Despite having been a frequent flyer for about 20 years, I'm still not completely comfortable with flying. I particularly do not like turbulence (beyond light chop) and rapid changes of altitude. Consequently, I avoid smaller aircraft. I had a particularly unpleasant experience on a commuter (I don't remember the aircraft type) when flying in 80s between Martinique and Guadaloupe. We flew through (not over or around) a thunderstorm. That flight was more than sufficient to keep me away from smaller aircraft.

sh9168 Apr 17, 2005 2:52 pm

Most frequent fliers dispise the CRJ and ERJ during flights longer then 1 hour. Most love the Avros. Avros on NW have first clas and a wider body giving the illusion of being in a regular airliner (737,A319). I've heard good things though about the ER170's and 190's too because of FC in them as well as a feeling of being in a bigger plane.

Internaut Apr 17, 2005 3:13 pm

[HIC]For a 1-2 hour flight, the Embarer is one of my favourite aircraft. You see, it has four advantages:

i) I can have both a Window and an Isle seat at the same time.

ii) They cruise at the same altitude as a wide bodied transcon jet. This makes for a smoother flight than the Avros or Fokkers I often find myself travelling on.

iii) In my experience, the leg room on Embarers has always been much better than the larger 737s you might expect to see on European/US domestic routes.

iv) Two words: "Cabin Pressure"! This Internaut is suffering from a cold at the moment and today's flights on an F100 and F70 were murder for my hearing an sinuses (I never have this problem on my favourite Brazillian regional jet).

Regards
I

[/HIC]

BamaVol Apr 17, 2005 3:30 pm

I managed to avoid them for the first 3 months of this year. Unfortunately, a last minute change to a return Friday forced me onto a couple DL RJ's. The biggest problem I have is the uncomfortable narrow seating. I felt bad for the guys in front of me. I could see the armpit of the guy in front of me in the crack between the seats, meaning his whole shoulder was encroaching on his neighbor (the other one was in the aisle taking regular hits from boarding pax, FA's and the drink cart).

I was disgusted to see an RJ flight to Colo Spgs on the board in CVG as I waited for my next. How long is that?

SonOfACockroach Apr 17, 2005 3:47 pm


Originally Posted by BamaVol
I managed to avoid them for the first 3 months of this year. Unfortunately, a last minute change to a return Friday forced me onto a couple DL RJ's. The biggest problem I have is the uncomfortable narrow seating. I felt bad for the guys in front of me. I could see the armpit of the guy in front of me in the crack between the seats, meaning his whole shoulder was encroaching on his neighbor (the other one was in the aisle taking regular hits from boarding pax, FA's and the drink cart).

I was disgusted to see an RJ flight to Colo Spgs on the board in CVG as I waited for my next. How long is that?

I've only ever had two RJ flights, one on a Yak-40 and one on an Avro. Until recently, US had very few RJs, and these days I mostly fly WN.

WRCSolberg Apr 17, 2005 4:08 pm


Originally Posted by Internaut
[HIC]For a 1-2 hour flight, the Embarer is one of my favourite aircraft. You see, it has four advantages:

i) I can have both a Window and an Isle seat at the same time.

ii) They cruise at the same altitude as a wide bodied transcon jet. This makes for a smoother flight than the Avros or Fokkers I often find myself travelling on.

iii) In my experience, the leg room on Embarers has always been much better than the larger 737s you might expect to see on European/US domestic routes.

iv) Two words: "Cabin Pressure"! This Internaut is suffering from a cold at the moment and today's flights on an F100 and F70 were murder for my hearing an sinuses (I never have this problem on my favourite Brazillian regional jet).

Regards
I

[/HIC]

ERJs are my new favorite plane no doubt, and I'm not a small human being either. People complain about them being "commuter planes" but every ERJ flight I've been on hasn't been any worse than any MD80 flight I've ever been on.

Aviatrix Apr 17, 2005 4:46 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel
Despite having been a frequent flyer for about 20 years, I'm still not completely comfortable with flying. I particularly do not like turbulence (beyond light chop) and rapid changes of altitude. Consequently, I avoid smaller aircraft. I had a particularly unpleasant experience on a commuter (I don't remember the aircraft type) when flying in 80s between Martinique and Guadaloupe. We flew through (not over or around) a thunderstorm. That flight was more than sufficient to keep me away from smaller aircraft.

Your experience was probably not typical - and if you were to try a smaller aircraft again, in better conditions, you'd probably find it an altogether more pleasant experience. However, I can quite understand how that flight put you off flying in commuter aircraft, and I apologise for being so challenging earlier.

stut Apr 17, 2005 6:06 pm

I'll also second (third, fourth?) the ERJs - I've had lovely flights in those (usually far better than the mainline aircraft for the airlines that run them).

I'd also put in a good word for turboprops. I fly quite a lot on Lufty's DHC8-400s. With the *G seat-blocker in action, it makes for a very pleasant flight. Give me LCY-DUS-PRG over LHR-PRG any day!

TrojanHorse Apr 17, 2005 6:26 pm

I switched airlines In part due to RJ's infesting old mainline routes
 
Being on CO where I had mainline planes from IAD-IAH and on to the west coast.. I had a good life.. F class upgrades etc. However in 2003 the trend of using RJ's more and more.. drove me away (along with other things) and I went to AA... yes AA has RJ's but not on the routes I frequent.

CO
IAD-IAH four flights, 3 RJ's
IAD-EWR all rj all the time
IAD-CLE all rj all the time

AA
Now I do IAD - LAX on a 738,
IAD DFW on a M80
yes I avoid STL/ORD due to the RJ"s but at least I have a choice from IAD

I hate having to pull out my laptop from my rolling laptop bag for an RJ.. I hate aisle/window seat as the curvature of the window takes half the space away.. Stuff two people in the two seat side.. and unless you are both 5'0/100 lbs.. its a tight fit..

I'm not too fond of the wait to get my gate check bags.. often in cold, windy, wet places..

Is it better than the old ATRs they replaces.. yes I would say so.. but is it better for me the consumer than the mainline jets they replace.. Heck No..


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