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MaxBuck May 12, 2015 6:37 am


Originally Posted by NJFlyer42 (Post 24800855)
1. Automatically fill in an exchange rate that the employee cannot obtain on the open market. Force employee to manually enter exchange rates for every transaction to avoid losing money.

2. Deny hotel nights or car rental expenses due to "lost" receipt. Don't tell employee and assume they won't check reimbursement checks. Many do not.

3. Modify expense rules to deny claims to the point that line managers complain.

These are the frauds I have seen.

I'm an independent consultant, and I've had some prime contractors that I've subconsulted to pull this crap on me.

Consequently, I simply raise my hourly rates to accommodate their nonsense. Life's too short to argue about minutiae.

TravelerMSY May 12, 2015 4:16 pm

TLDR

Y'all should look up the elements of fraud, specifically detrimental reliance, before you start faking receipts.

Badenoch May 12, 2015 4:58 pm


Originally Posted by Annalisa12 (Post 24802523)
I worked in the Government too and one of the things we were told to ask ourselves was if our reports or anything to do with work came in to view of the general masses would they stand up to public scrutiny. Ask yourself that before doing or writing something.

We became very adept at circumventing the access legislation. I'd rather explain why we didn't always have complete records than to explain what was on them. ;)

BRITINJAPAN3 May 13, 2015 5:18 am

For me, strangle your employees with rules and limits = everone wil try to cheat.
Allow reasonable confortable rules, = most will staay honest.

Happy workers = happy profit

365RoadWarrior May 13, 2015 5:27 am

My biggest fraud is that I claim bus fare and instead take a taxi, making up the difference from my pocket. (For the most part, we aren't permitted to take taxis.) Easy fraud, since bus fares don't usually require receipts.

tentseller May 13, 2015 5:48 am


Originally Posted by NJFlyer42 (Post 24800855)
1. Automatically fill in an exchange rate that the employee cannot obtain on the open market. Force employee to manually enter exchange rates for every transaction to avoid losing money.

2. Deny hotel nights or car rental expenses due to "lost" receipt. Don't tell employee and assume they won't check reimbursement checks. Many do not.

3. Modify expense rules to deny claims to the point that line managers complain.

These are the frauds I have seen.


Originally Posted by MaxBuck (Post 24803042)
I'm an independent consultant, and I've had some prime contractors that I've subconsulted to pull this crap on me.

Consequently, I simply raise my hourly rates to accommodate their nonsense. Life's too short to argue about minutiae.

I just quote an all in price and I take care of all my expenses.

MaxBuck May 13, 2015 6:56 am


Originally Posted by tentseller (Post 24808101)
I just quote an all in price and I take care of all my expenses.

That's fine, assuming you can sufficiently define the scope of services. But sometimes the scope evolves during the project, which means more (or fewer) trips are required.

I love fixed fees, but sometimes they just don't work very well.

tentseller May 13, 2015 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by MaxBuck (Post 24808335)
That's fine, assuming you can sufficiently define the scope of services. But sometimes the scope evolves during the project, which means more (or fewer) trips are required.

I love fixed fees, but sometimes they just don't work very well.

For 2011 gig in London UK I quoted for the work. Price for each additional visit in person including first day in UK, price per overnight and price per day.

Ended up with two additional in person visits and 8 additional days which was billed and settled.

I am fortunate that the scope of the type of work the I do now does not creep up or down too often when the contract is finalized. I can see where my fix fee methodology will not work in fields where scope of work will vary.

jahason May 14, 2015 5:34 am

Problem is when restaurants or taxi drivers just give you a blank receipt rather than write one out. So I have to write it out and I always do for the correct amount. But then there's an unpleasant feeling that no matter how honest I have been my receipts will look suspicious.

steveben53 May 14, 2015 6:33 am

The company I work for gives out a pre-loaded money card. How and where I use it it totally up to me. All I have to do is provide receipts.

Cardboard55 May 14, 2015 7:50 pm


Originally Posted by jahason (Post 24813793)
Problem is when restaurants or taxi drivers just give you a blank receipt rather than write one out.

Are there actually restaurants that do this? I have it all the time with taxis, but I've never seen it with a restaurant...

shuigao May 14, 2015 8:47 pm


Originally Posted by jahason (Post 24813793)
Problem is when restaurants or taxi drivers just give you a blank receipt rather than write one out. So I have to write it out and I always do for the correct amount. But then there's an unpleasant feeling that no matter how honest I have been my receipts will look suspicious.

Whenever I get this, I record down a 50% increase over actual fare :D

fimo May 14, 2015 10:50 pm


Originally Posted by Cardboard55 (Post 24817696)
Are there actually restaurants that do this? I have it all the time with taxis, but I've never seen it with a restaurant...

Depends on the country, depends on the type of restaurant, but yes, it does happen. Usually mom & pop places where the bill is really just a piece of blank paper with scribbles, and when you need an official receipt, it's probably just a blank one torn from a generic receipt booklet you can buy from a stationery shop. At most they might be able to stamp the shop name/registration on it.

Annalisa12 May 16, 2015 11:13 pm

How about a post... what do business owners do that is dodgy but not illegal.

Every time we look up something to do with our business we high five each other and say..."yes. it's in New York" or Milan or wherever!

andyh64000 May 17, 2015 9:29 pm


Originally Posted by NJFlyer42 (Post 24800855)
1. Automatically fill in an exchange rate that the employee cannot obtain on the open market. Force employee to manually enter exchange rates for every transaction to avoid losing money.

Our system does this...where in the heck do they get these rates? I would be a millionaire if I could arbitrage at the rates they get.

I usually go to my credit card statement and calculate the rate for my largest transaction of the trip (usually the hotel bill) and just use that rate for all transactions.


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