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Sjoerd Sep 30, 2004 11:33 pm


Originally Posted by terenz
Canada's visa process is a lot easier for various non-VWP country citizens than the U.S.'s. The U.S. also has a USD100 non-refundable visa application fee which you lose if your transit visa application is rejected. I believe you also need your ticket in hand so if you buy a non-refundable and the visa is rejected, you can end up losing a lot of money.

That said, YVR has sterile transit at least for U.S.-int'l and you can bypass Canadian immigration for int'l-U.S. (to go straight to U.S. pre-clearance). I don't know about whether int'l-int'l sterile transit is available (as very few flights would make sense).

Canada's visa process is not necessarily easier. Besides, not all of Canada's Embassies / Consulates provide visa services. For instance, Canada has a big Embassy in The Hague (Netherlands), but they don't do visas there, so my (Brazilian) colleague living in The Hague had to travel all the way to Berlin (!) to apply for a visa.

I am told YVR does no longer have transit facilities and all passengers need to clear Canadian immigration / customs.

In my experience (travelling as many times to the US as to Canada), both immigration / customs services are a PITA. Sometimes, it is just a quick series of questions (reason of visit?, how long are you staying?) in both countries, but more often you get the third degree in the USA _and_ Canada.

B747-437B Oct 1, 2004 12:22 am


Originally Posted by Sjoerd
My Brazilian colleague living in The Hague had to travel all the way to Berlin to apply for a visa.

Unless he was a case that specifically required an interview, there was no need to TRAVEL to Berlin to get the visa - he could have just as easily sent it by mail - an option that is simply not available for a United States visa.

http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/canadae...ocedure-en.asp

Sjoerd Oct 1, 2004 6:34 am


Originally Posted by B747-437B
Unless he was a case that specifically required an interview, there was no need to TRAVEL to Berlin to get the visa - he could have just as easily sent it by mail - an option that is simply not available for a United States visa.

http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/canadae...ocedure-en.asp

Well, he needed the visa within a week, and the only option the Canadian Embassy gave him was to travel to Berlin. :td:

chtiet Oct 1, 2004 7:31 am


Originally Posted by Sjoerd
I am told YVR does no longer have transit facilities and all passengers need to clear Canadian immigration / customs.

Oh no, really? In the past, passengers going from MEX to NRT on the JL MEX-YVR-NRT flight were put in a sterile area of YVR without needing to go through immigration & customs. This was the major advantage of this flight vs. connecting somewhere in the US.

B747-437B Oct 1, 2004 9:48 am


Originally Posted by Sjoerd
I am told YVR does no longer have transit facilities and all passengers need to clear Canadian immigration / customs.

You were given bad information in that case. A number of airlines continue to maintain transit facilities through Vancouver - most notably Cathay, Phillipines and JAL.

http://www.yvr.ca/guide/around/connecting.asp

Sjoerd Oct 1, 2004 9:56 am


Originally Posted by B747-437B
You were given bad information in that case. A number of airlines continue to maintain transit facilities through Vancouver - most notably Cathay, Phillipines and JAL.

http://www.yvr.ca/guide/around/connecting.asp

As I understand it, this is only for passengers continuing on the same flight / plane to another international destination.
But if I arrive at YVR on for example KL it used to be possible to stay air-side and fly on another airline to Seattle. This is no longer possible and I am told I will have to clear Canadian immigration / customs.

The 10 million $ question of course is: why can't the US and Canada have sterile international / international transfer zones that almost all other countries / airports have?

B747-437B Oct 1, 2004 10:02 am


Originally Posted by Sjoerd
But if I arrive at YVR on for example KL it used to be possible to stay air-side and fly on another airline to Seattle. This is no longer possible and I am told I will have to clear Canadian immigration / customs.

http://www.yvr.ca/guide/around/conne...asp?id=int2usa

I will admit that YVR's sterile transit facility tends to maintain highly random hours - it is open whenever it feels like it rather than by a schedule - but it still exists.

DG Oct 1, 2004 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by Sjoerd
The 10 million $ question of course is: why can't the US and Canada have sterile international / international transfer zones that almost all other countries / airports have?


Many of those "sterile international/international transfer zones" that other countries have, require transit visas from citizens of non-West Europe/US/Canada - for them, it is just a regular part of making travel plans.

I suspect there aren't enough passengers who wish to avoid staying a few days in US/Canada in between their trip for many airports to have a such a secure area - unlike European or Pacific rim airports, which get many trans-continental passengers.

On another note - yes, it adds another $100 to your trip budget, but its extra security. If the OP wants to do a RTW, why not stay in the US a couple of days in between? - if you are getting the visa anyway.

Edited for typo.

Kiwi Flyer Oct 1, 2004 5:10 pm


Originally Posted by DG
Many of those "sterile international/international transfer zones" that other countries have, require transit visas from citizens of non-West Europe/US/Canada - for them, it is just a regular part of making travel plans.

I suspect there aren't enough passengers who wish to avoid staying a few days in US/Canada in between their trip for many airports to have a such a secure area - unlike European or Pacific rim airports, which get many trans-continental passengers.

On another note - yes, it adds another $100 to your trip budget, but its extra security. If the OP wants to do a RTW, why not stay in the US a couple of days in between? - if you are getting the visa anyway.

Edited for typo.

Rubbish. Many countries do not require transit visas if you are connecting international to international (incl same flight continuing).

Also what about european/australian/nz transit pax who now are subjected to fingerprinting? Dont have this anywhere else and dont do it to visitors (or transit pax) in our country so why should US?

mcgahat Oct 1, 2004 5:52 pm


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
Also what about european/australian/nz transit pax who now are subjected to fingerprinting? Dont have this anywhere else and dont do it to visitors (or transit pax) in our country so why should US?

I have personally think it should go the other way......all countries should be fingerprinting and I have no problem with being fingerprinted by your country when I visit next year. :) I dont know if the OP has a problem with the fingerprinting though or just the fact that US transit is well impossible and useless.

Mr. Roboto Oct 1, 2004 6:14 pm


Originally Posted by monahos
MH's KUL-EZE flight is via South Africa, and thus over the Atlantic, i.e. won't qualify as the transpac leg on a RTW.

I knew that, graraps was asking if any carrier flew from Asia to S. America, I apologize if it didn't follow the routing he/she expected.


Originally Posted by mcgahat
Also, what country is your citizenship? Are you even required to have a visa? I would think the list that Canada has for visas is the same as the US.

Has this question been answered yet? I think everyone's input so far is useless unless the original poster tells us which country issued his/her passport.

Gaucho100K Oct 1, 2004 6:46 pm

options for flights from South America to Asia
 
Please note that you can currently fly from South America to Asia (not going to North America) with several carriers. Some options I list below:

AR will fly you from EZE to Auckland - you can then go onto Asia proper.

MH will fly you from EZE to KL via South America.

SA will fly you from EZE to South Africa, you can then take SQ or a ton of other carriers to Asia.

RG will fly your from EZE and Brazil to Asia, transpac or transatlantic, no US connection needed.

Qantas was also doing EZE-Sydney flights, I dont know if these have been discontinued though.....

Im sure there are a couple of more options that Im not listing here.... and dont forget the european connection possibilities...

YVR Cockroach Oct 1, 2004 6:59 pm


Originally Posted by Gaucho100K
AR will fly you from EZE to Auckland - you can then go onto Asia proper.

AR was supposed to have launched EZE-China service via Europe. I think AR wanted to use ZRH but couldn't get the rights. Any further news on this?

notam2 Oct 1, 2004 7:33 pm


Originally Posted by graraps
So I go on the US embassy website to check transit visa requirements, but there is NOTHING on them. Therefore I have to call them only to be told, after being subjected to 387295961842 random recorded messages that were no help whatsoever (if you pressed you wanted visa info you were routed to a bloke describing what a machine readable passport looked like and some other equally useful bits of info),
that the US don't issue any transit visas, I'd have to apply for an "ordinary" one

I'm sorry that you got misinformation, but the US indeed has transit visas. They're called C-1 visas. Here are some links:

http://usembassy.state.gov/posts/co1/wwwsc092.shtml
http://faq.visapro.com/C1-Visa-FAQ3.asp#Q5

There's a catch. The application process for these visas is pretty much the same. The transit visa has the same cost as a regular B1/B2 (business/tourist) visa and both require an interview. B1/B2 visas are much more flexible, and assuming that you qualify for a 10 year multiple-entry B1/B2 visa, I'd go for that. I'm pretty sure that C-1's can be issued as multiple entry too. I'd expect the interview for a C-1 visa to be a little easier than the interview for a B1/B2 visa, but YMMV.

- notam

graraps Oct 1, 2004 10:01 pm


Originally Posted by Mr. Roboto

Has this question been answered yet? I think everyone's input so far is useless unless the original poster tells us which country issued his/her passport.


I'm Greek. Does it make any difference? :p


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