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Suggestions for Spain
Myself and Mrs bravoecho will be flying to Barcelona on the 20th of July and departing on the 24th of July. Bearing in mind that we are late 20's (not too interested in the clubbing scene - can do that at home :) ) I would appreciate your input into the following things:
Intinerary - we are not going to try and see everything in 4 days. We would like to see the more pertinent venues. If at all possible I wouldn't mind combining a city/country trip - maybe two days in Barcelona, two days in the country. However if there is more to see in the city and not much to see in the country, then that too is good ^ . Hotels - in Barcelona, the hotels I have narrowed it down to are the NH Calderon and the AC Diplomatic. Your input to these and others, including in the country would be appreciated. Thanks |
Well I think it's wise to try to see a few things rather than be running from place to place. You'll be jet-lagged when you get in, and probably arrive fairly late in the day, so figure you're really going to have three full days. I'd just concentrate on a nice dinner your first night, maybe a few drinks, and get some sleep.
Your first visit should include some time exploring the Ramblas and the Gothic Quarter. Starting at Plaza Catalunya, you can walk down the Ramblas, do some shopping, stop for tapas a half-dozen times, and wander around the little alleys and passageways of the Gothic Quarter. Realistically, this is a full-day's activity. If you get a really early start, you can probably fit in something else - maybe in the afternoon (after 5) go check out La Padrera, one of Gaudí's most beautiful and interesting buildings. It's at the cornder of Passeig de Gracia and C/Aragó, about a ten-minute walk from Plaza Catalunya. Your second day, go get on the tourist bus. It leaves from Plaza Catalunya about every half hour. They go to all the tourist attractions, explain things in English, and let you get on and off as much as you want - just hop on the next one when you're ready to leave. This will give you a pretty good overview of what there is to see. On your third day, go back to one or two of the things you really liked and spend the day. I don't think you're going to have time to see the country, honestly. If you really want to, make your third day a daytrip to Montjuic, which is about 90 minutes by train. It's an old mountain monastery with a breathtaking church and views you won't believe. As far as hotels go, the Calderon is my favorite in the city. Fantastic. Ask for a corner room - you'll give up the terrace but get a much bigger room. And don't miss the rooftop pool - it has some of the best views in the entire city. The hotel is also about a 4 minute walk from Plaza Catalunya, where all the fun starts. Hope this is some help. |
alanw,
thanks for your reply. We won't be too jet lagged as we are coming from Cork, Ireland. Mrs bravoecho is already there and I will be then with enough time to aclimatise. With regards to the hotels, I have been able to get a company rate at Hotel Arts for Euro199 and Calderon for Euro163. Bearing this in mind what would you recommend? Mrs bravoecho would also like to do a bit of relaxing by the pool (considering she has been in Cork all winter I can sort of understand). How far is the Hotel Arts from Plaza Catalunya? Is it worth staying there, doing the touristy things in the city and then retiring to the hotel for afternoon drinks by the pool and then back into town for the evening? Thanks |
The Arts is a really nice hotel, and 199€ is a good rate. As I've advised others here (who didn't listen ;)), I don't think I'd trade the somewhat nicer hotel for the much nicer location. But that's just me. One of Barcelona's nicest attributes is the pedestrian neighborhoods and casual pace - I think you'll miss out on that doing the back-and-forth from the Arts, which is kind of in the burbs, too far to walk. The Calderon, while a star lower than the Arts, is still a very nice hotel. You've also got a good rate there - I used to pay around 36000₧, so...about 270€. Their pool, with the views, tops the Arts, IMO.
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Thanks Alan
As a local I will take your word for it. Besides the Euro36 difference per night (144 over 4 days) will certainly pay for some of our adventures.
I'll let you know how we go. Cheers |
I guess the one-day trip referred to before was to Montserrat and not to Montjuic, as Montjuic is in the city and it does not take 90 minutes to get there. Montserrat is actually a very nice one-day trip to take and the mountain itself is just magic. I think it is really worth it to go there. If you prefer the beach I might suggest you to visit Sitges, which is 30 minutes down the coast by train. Girona is also a very nice city and it takes around 90 minutes by train to get there. Whatever you decide to do, I hope you like Barcelona, my home town :)
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Oops, my bad. Montserrat, of course, is what I was talking about. Montjuic is pretty cool too, but hardly rates a day trip :) I'm always mixing up prendre and aprendre too. :confused:
I'd second the recommendation to visit Sitges if you want the beach. We've got a bunch of them, all fantastic (some more than others, if you know what I mean). It's a pretty small town, might qualify as the country if you think about it just right. If you make it down this way, let me know and I'll meet you for a drink. JUANMA, nice to meet you. There's going to be a BCN do in October. |
Bravoecho...there's a good article on the Hotel Arts in last weeks Sunday Times travel section.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...134930,00.html The world's best service? Barcelona's Hotel Arts has won the Ultimate Service Award. Matt Rudd checks in to see if it deserves it Our room’s not available?” I bellow in panto-horror. I don’t believe it. It’s 12.15pm, we’re all tired from our early flight, and our room’s not available. I’ve got seriously high expectations. This is Barcelona’s Hotel Arts, after all. It’s just won the overall global prize at the Ultimate Service Awards (“the only global award scheme to recognise and applaud outstanding service”). According to the guests who voted, this hotel’s service is unparalleled. So I want the receptionist wafting me with ostrich feathers. I want a harpist on call every time my blood pressure breaks 120. I want smothering. I want pampering. I want love. Priscilla, our guest ambassador, is lovely, but she doesn’t have any ostrich feathers. Nor will she give us a high-floor, nonsmoking, king-size room immediately. The three of us chew the fat a bit. We can have a second-floor room now — or wait three hours for a coveted level 18 job. “Go on, there must be a room,” I say, like a broken record. “I specifically requested a high-level room.” “I’m sorry, Mr Rudd. I just can’t. Check-in is at 3pm”. Bang. She’s blown it. It was all going so well. We’d turned up three hours early on a busy bank holiday. She’d give me a room, but not the one I wanted. Irritating, but fair enough; I haven’t got a leg to stand on. I’ve arrived too early to have a leg to stand on. We all know that, so why did she have to point it out? Stroppy Wife isn’t quite stamping her feet but she does say that if she can’t have her room now, she wants to shower and change now instead. If I were Priscilla, I’d probably give her a slap, but it’s no problem — she’s whisked off to the changing room to ablute. I’m ushered into the beautiful lobby and furnished with lashings of mint water by the wonderfully smiley, ray-of-light Sergi. They’re making the best of a bad start. TO WHILE away the wait, I try to annoy the concierge. A concierge, of course, is the key to a good hotel. A good concierge will get you the best table in town, fix the best entertainment and be able to arrange anything, absolutely anything, you need to improve your holiday. Let’s start with the impossible. “Can you arrange a table at El Bulli tonight?” I ask. El Bulli, an hour or so outside Barcelona, is considered by many to be the world’s best restaurant. Bagging a table with six hours’ notice would be trickier than sorting a seat beside the net judge at the Wimbledon men’s final... always worth a try, though. “I like a challenge, sir, but for El Bulli, it is impossible,” says the concierge. “It opens for reservations on January 20, I think, and books up for the whole year on the same day.” Fair enough... she’s a concierge, not a magician. Let’s go to the opera instead. “I want good seats at a good opera.” Her colleague comes over to help. In a whisker of a second, he’s on the phone and then he’s off again, with two stalls seats for tonight’s splendid Götterdämmerung. Impressive, but I’ve come over all fickle: “Actually, I can’t face Wagner. I think we’ll just try some tapas.” And so, without any eye- rolling or drawing of breath, he marks up a nice little map with some favourite tapas bars. Top marks for the concierge desk. BACK FROM lunch at four and our room’s ready, praise the Lord. Our bags are up there, says the receptionist. No, they’re not. One of them arrives seconds after we do, but the chap’s forgotten the other three. Shame, because the porter had been so masterful on arrival. Like a world-champion sheepdog, he’d coaxed us gently from the taxi, separated us from our cluttered clobber, rounded us into the lift and returned promptly to his desk, ready for the next unruly flock. Lack of bags is not the only problem: I don’t like the room. It’s on the 18th floor, but our view is mainly of the neighbouring skyscraper. What did I expect to see out of a seafront Barcelona hotel window? The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically? Maybe Torquay? No, but the sea would be nice. And the window’s dirty. “The window’s dirty and I can only see a bit of the sea,” I explain on the phone. “The window is like that because we are by the sea,” says the woman, as if she’s said it before. “You have a good room: you’re on the 18th floor; some people are on the 2nd. At your rate, you cannot have a room at the front.” It’s true, I’m only paying £207 a night. That’s not enough to see the sea. I’d have to splash out £1,290 to bag an available sea-view suite. “For two of you, it’s not worth it, sir.” Also true. We’ve reached an impasse. She doesn’t have a better room and she hasn’t got an 18-storey-high ladder to clean the window. I have no choice but to settle for a dirty-windowed room with only a partial sea view. I was going to complain about the art, but I don’t have the heart. NEXT PROBLEM with the global winner of the Ultimate Service Award: I can’t find the hotel directory. You know, the one that tells you all the wonderful services the hotel has to offer. “It’s being reprinted, sir,” says another person on another phone. “Just dial zero if there’s anything you need.” How do I know what I need if I haven’t got a list of things I can be needy about? I dial zero anyway. Nothing. I dial it again. Still nothing. So I dial 1 and set the phone alarm off. I can’t stop it. I press the reception button and the receptionist tries to help by asking me to press a button on the wall. A while later, we realise we’re at cross-purposes. She’s trying to help me turn a room alarm off, but it’s the phone that’s alarming. Up comes an engineer, presses something I hadn’t thought of pressing and the alarm stops. I dial zero and someone’s there, ready, I suppose, to cater for my every whim. But the only whim I have now is to have a siesta. 9pm. We’re off for our Wagner-free tapas crawl, but I sneak back to the front desk. “Can you arrange a single red rose in our room for when we return?” The concierge should say, “No, you cheesy slimeball, why should I be a part of your sordid seduction.” Instead he says: “Sir, the florist has gone home, but we will do everything to make that possible.” |
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Back at 12. “Ahh, Matt, you shouldn’t have. How cheesy,” says Sarcastic Wife. There on the table is a beautiful long-stemmed rose (they haven’t just nipped out to the bloke with the rose bucket on the promenade) in a single-stem vase. THE NEXT morning, it’s time for the discretion test. Fake Wife phones the hotel sounding furious. She’s not sure I’m staying there, and she’s not sure if I’m with my floozy or not. Would the hotel cover for me? “Hello, is my husband staying there?” says Fake Wife, sounding very angry. “What is his name, madam?” asks the receptionist. “Matt Rudd.” “Yes, he is.” “Is there anyone with him?” “Yes, he’s sharing with a Harriet Perry.” And so Fake Wife gets put straight through.Great service for scorned wives. Disastrous for errant husbands. REAL WIFE and I set off for a sightsee, leaving the room in a state that would embarrass a teenager: clothes strewn across the floor, unemptied bath, lipstick on the mirror, underpants lost in the bottom of the bed. A pair of sandals has become separated, so much so that one is in the bathroom and the other is alone by the (dirty) window. When we return, the lipstick’s gone and the pants have escaped, but I’m by no means amazed by the room service. The clothes are now strewn in a corner, rather than all over the room (the teenage approach to tidying) — I was hoping they would have hung everything up. The sandals are still sad and separated. And what’s this? Special toiletries? No, it’s the maid’s cleaning fluid, left in the bathroom. Tsk tsk. Our room sports a flashy Bang & Olufsen CD player, but no CDs. I’m quite happy playing with the clever opening sensor (just wave at it and the glass doors part), but Saucy Wife is feeling romantic. She wants some romantic music. “We don’t have a CD library,” apologises Leia when we call down. “But if it’s an emergency, I can go to my car.” That really is impressive personal service. Fortunately, it’s not an emergency: we go out to dinner instead — at Botafumeiro, one of Barcelona’s best, booked just five hours earlier by the concierge. BACK AT a fashionably Spanish 2am and we’re ordering breakfast. “I’d like two poached eggs on toast — make sure it’s not soggy — bacon without the rind, grilled tomatoes with grated cheese, English breakfast tea with semi-skimmed milk, a selection of pastries and fresh orange juice,” says she. “And I’d like a cheeseburger, medium rare,” say I, with an Elvis lilt. There’s only a slight pause at the other end of the line. Then a friendly chuckle, “Would you like fries with that?” Full marks. This guy’s heard it all before. Sadly, the actual breakfast is not as good as the ordering process. My burger is spot-on, but Picky Wife picks problems: no bacon for starters, the tomato is on the poached eggs, the cheese isn’t on the tomato, and they’ve only gone and brought Earl Grey instead of English breakfast. At £55, we’d expected better. I do love the fact, though, that they called to say breakfast was on its way. Most hotel breakfasts just turn up unannounced, meaning a horrible start-of-the-day scramble for the bathrobe. Here, we were warned. Nice. Check-out is marvellous. They haven’t charged for the rose (either an accident or a touching touch) and when I explain we’re flying home no-frills, Miriam doesn’t hesitate to help with the ordering of a posh packed lunch. The only problem is that the two boxes our wonderful picnic comes in are almost too big for the plane. But you can hardly fault them for that, can you? In fact, unless you’re as picky as we were, you can’t fault them for much at all. They’re very, very good — but they’re just not the best in the world. And that’s not just because of the lack of ostrich feathers. |
Things you MUST do:
1. Spend at least half a day in the Gothic Quarter; roam the narrow streets; visit the Cathedral. Unforgettable. 2. Stroll on Las Ramblas... Then go onto Passeig de Gracia. This is the most fashionable and fancy street in Barcelona; very very beatiful. 3. Plaza Catalunya. Here, you MUST MUST MUST see the fountain. At night it features light show with music. Absolutely unforgettable. So do this at night. 4. Things you may want to skip: Gaudi park (i think that' what it called); the waterfront. Barcelona is one of my favorite cities, enjoy it! |
Originally Posted by Len
Things you MUST do:
1. Spend at least half a day in the Gothic Quarter; roam the narrow streets; visit the Cathedral. Unforgettable. 2. Stroll on Las Ramblas... Then go onto Passeig de Gracia. This is the most fashionable and fancy street in Barcelona; very very beatiful. 3. Plaza Catalunya. Here, you MUST MUST MUST see the fountain. At night it features light show with music. Absolutely unforgettable. So do this at night. 4. Things you may want to skip: Gaudi park (i think that' what it called); the waterfront. Barcelona is one of my favorite cities, enjoy it! The park is named Park Güell, and is on the west end of the city, near the terminus of Passeig de Gracia. It started as a planned community around the turn of last century but never realy caught on so the city made it into a park in the 20's. I suppose it depends what you want to see, but it's certainly a beautiful example of Gaudí's style. I'd agree that with a short time it's probably not worth the (comparatively) long trip when there's plenty of stuff to see closer in. |
Alan,
can you advise of the best way to get to and from the airport. I know each city is different eg. cabs if they're cheap, airport shuttle bus etc. To update you I have booked the Calderon for Euro149 per night, so I am pretty happy :D . |
Outstanding deal for that hotel!
If you guys are comfortable doing the "train thing", and don't have much luggage, there's that. From BCN you'll have to switch trains in Sants, and the trip takes around 45 minutes to the Passeig de Gracia station. Then you're about 3 blocks from the hotel. Honestly, I've never done it, though it is a lovely tour of the industrial wasteland to BCN's south. Cabs are cheap and plentiful here. If I remember right, it's about 20€ to the Calderon and 15-minute trip without traffic. |
Originally Posted by bravoecho
To update you I have booked the Calderon for Euro149 per night, so I am pretty happy :D .
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I also must recommend the Hotel Arts in Barcelona, just a wonderful hotel with good location, great service and a beautiful view. a night there is a must. Have fun, go to Botafumeiro for a great dinner.
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