End-on- End ticketing A.K.A. "Nesting"
 

IS THIS OK. can I do this on the same carrier without absolutely any risk. That is buy 2 separate roundtrips.

EWR-LAX R.T. A

LAX-RIO R.T. B

Traveling in this order
EWR-LAX
LAX-EWR
EWR-RIO
RIO-LAX
LAX-EWR

There is no throw away, back to back or hidden city involved. Thank you in advance for your gracious comments and expert advice.

No problem.

Uhhhhh... not so fast.

If the 2nd leg (LAX-EWR) is the first segment of the LAX-RIO ticket, and the 5th leg (LAX-EWR) is the return of the EWR-LAX ticket, then what you have is specifically a "back-to-back", since you are returning to the origin on a different ticket from the one you started on.

While I think the risk of having a problem is small, there is a risk.

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I have done several end to ends with reverse legs as above and never been challenged. Posting has sometimes been delayed and required phone calls, but never a word about the validity of the routing.

Writetorich has informed us that,

"There is no throw away, back to back or hidden city involved."

Therefore, we know that on the LAX-EWR-RIO portion, EWR is NOT a destination city, but rather simply a transit point. (Technically, the psgr is not returning to the origin).

This is a "nested itinerary" - not "back to back" ticketing.

No problem as I see it. But why not put the entire itinerary on one ticket - and then try to discount the whole affair with some type of coupon?



[This message has been edited by tvl4free (edited 01-07-2001).]

tvl4free: I don't know that connecting through EWR exempts it as counting as a return to the origin. Do you have a source or citation, or is this just your opinion, as I have mine and writetorich has his?

IMO, this is nested, if, as was stated, the ticket holder is simply transiting at EWR enroute from LAX to RIO.I am prepared to be proven wrong, however.
I still wish we had a CO reservations agent on the board that could settle something like this. Plus, from a previuos thread, I'd repeat my opinion once again, that its never a back to back and illegal so long as ALL segmetns are actually flown, I would really like to know, since some interesting mileage runs could be conducted using this type of ticketing. The itinerary stated could be one of them if CO was running sale fares EWR to LAX and LAX to RIO at the same time (Note that CO has no service from IAH to RIO so that the only way to get there is through EWR). If the LAX-EWR-RIO(actually GIG) were the 3rd leg of a GGONE 123 promotion, you would have a very nice 15,000 mile RT trippled, plus the miles EWR-LAX plus elite bonuses etc. It could be lucrative.

My hunch is that your wish has already been granted (or its equivalent at the very least)
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I have to agree with trvl4free on this one...its seems legit to me...where could the problem exists as long as all segs are flown? Just my .02

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MRKEY

I nest with CO all the time. And they sell me the tickets. It has been correctly pointed out, that in this case it depends on the EWR return segment on the way to RIO. I would agree if it is intransit (under 4 hours layover)... NO PROBLEM!

Vucan, be careful what you wish for...well, kinda sorta, huh Cranky?

I booked the following which may shed some light on this issue:

1 CO 140K 01MAR TH LAXEWR 1230P 852P/O
2 CO 33K 01MAR TH EWRGIG 1000P 945A/X
3*UA4178B 10MAR SA GIGLAX 811A 610P/O

Fare ladder:

LAX CO X/EWR CO RIO Q5.00 1127.00UA LAX Q5.00 1127.00NUC 2264.00END

Note the bolded X's and O's:

The X at the end of segment 2 indicates a connection. So the origin here will be LAX and the destination city will be GIG.

The fare ladder also shows EWR to be a connection. Therefore, we know that this passenger is not actually returning to the first tkts origin - which would be EWR.

Had there been O's there (stopovers), we would have had a totally different story.

Boy am I relieved that in our heart-of-hearts, we can now rest 100% assured that this is legit!

No problem.




[This message has been edited by tvl4free (edited 01-11-2001).]

Absolutely no problem. We frequently do something like this using BWI to go out the lower midwest (generally WN destinations with the low fares matched by all the airlines) on CO and our routings frequently look something like this:

Ticket #1: EWR-DCA-EWR
Ticket #2: BWI-CLE-SDF-EWR-BWI
Ticket #3: BWI-CLE-BWI
The flights are taken in this order:
1 - EWR-DCA
2 - BWI-CLE-SDF
3 - SDF-EWR-BWI
4 - BWI-CLE
5 - CLE-BWI
6 - DCA-EWR

Tickets #2 and #3 are CO tickets nested within the EWR-DCA RT and the stop at EWR on the 3rd leg is simply a transit point with no consequences to the ticketing scheme.

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