Oddball routes
 

As I live near Seattle, I frequently look at airfares out of Vancouver to see if there are any less expensve fares.

I have taken notice of two routes flown by airlines you wouldn't normally associate with these routes.

Japan Airlines flies between YVR and MEX.

Cathay Pacific flies between YVR and JFK.

Surprisingly, the fares offered on these routes were very competitive. I realise that these are the final/first leg of a rather long overseas journey but never realized until now that you could actually fly on them on their intra-North American international portions.

I bet there are some other unique carriers from Montreal to the US/Carribean/Mexico as well but didn't check it out.



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SQ: JFK-FRA. EWR-AMS
NZ: LAX-LHR/FRA

These routes are only available when they are international(even Canada - US) but never domestic. The non-US airlines don't have the license to sell tickets for domestic flights, even if the fly those segments.

Open sky...

Similarly, Air India and Kuwait fly from Heathrow to JFK.

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Merry said:

Nick -

You're right that open skies regimes give gobs more flexibility for flag carriers to have 5th Freedom routes.

Open skies still doesn't, however, (generally) give your flag carriers the right to carry pax between two entirely domestic points in the other country (cabotage).

This board has been through this before, haven't we?

Greg

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Toronto to Havana on LACSA (Costa Rican Airline)

SK has BKK-SIN

When I was a teenager, I flew Montreal (Mirabel) to JFK on Czech Airlines. Quite an experience.

While we are sort of on the topic of open skies, my question is:

I have ssen advertised Air New Zealand flying LAX-SYD, allegedly non-stop. If it is non-stop, why doesn't this conflict with rules that prevent, say, AF flying LHR-YYZ?

some that come to mind....

BA DTW - YUL and PIT - YUL for a while a couple years ago. Also, YYZ - JFK again no longer in service (was a BHX - JFK - YYZ - JFK - BHX service).

IB has a bunch out of MIA to the Carribean/CA

AF flies from Tahiti to LAX and on to CDG

AI flies LHR - JFK and ORD

RJ flies NRT - LAX

BKK - SIN is served by many airlines - SR, QF, Turkish, CX, SK, etc

CX fly BKK - BOM and BOM - DXB

LY fly BOM - BKK

NH fly DEL - BKK

i'm sure there are a lot more out there. The earlier posts about cabotage are the limiting factor for intra country flights. Although QF do fly LAX - JFK as an online connection.

ORD-LHR on Air India.

Sydney to Auckland on Thai International

Also, some unusual Qantas flights to Dili (East Timor) from Darwin and Cairns to Port Moresby.

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Perth to Cocos(Keeling) Island on National Airlines. Cocos Keeling is an Australian territory south of Indonesia in the Indian Ocean. Voted to stay with Australia. People are mostly Malay Chinese.



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TW Cairo to Riyadh (as a continuation of JFK-CAI) I've been told that the flight is filled with business travelers- and because it's a US carrier, alcohol is served on the route.

Yes, this is a nonstop flight for them. It really has nothing to do with any US policy, it's an agreement that Australia and NZ have together. You can also fly on Qantas LAX-AKL nonstop.

CO has a most interesting route.

EWR-ABE. It's actually a bus ride, not a flight.