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dliesse Dec 11, 2025 3:02 pm

Simple Trivia Quiz
 
While we're all wracking our brains over the last few scheduling questions still unanswered, here's one that should be a gimme for many (and, admittedly, a head-scratcher for others).

What service in the 1960s was likely the shortest scheduled route ever operated in the US, possibly anywhere? Aircraft changed over the years, so airline -- including its 2-letter code -- and locations will suffice.

Just one hint: this segment was not offered for sale but could be deduced from the timetable.

Track Dec 11, 2025 5:28 pm

How about OAK-SFO? I once flew on a Hughes Air West DC-9 LAS-OAK-SFO. JFK-LGA is the same distance (11 miles), but I can't recall any flights on that route.

YVR Cockroach Dec 11, 2025 6:00 pm

I was going to mention OAK-SFO (or v-v) that UA certainly operated with a 727 and available as a standalone ticket. IIRC, there were posting of helicopter flight schedules between the two on the main OT thread.

dliesse Dec 12, 2025 1:46 pm

Shorter even that that! Several airlines did operate SFO-OAK-xxx at various times -- I've been on a few of those myself -- and it was certainly was available for sale on the helicopter (and, in many cases, free if there was an interline connection). I believe New York Helicopter offered JFK-LGA service (triangle service among the three major airports, with ever-changing downtown heliports as well).

Pay attention to the original hint, and I'll let you know you have one airport right.


guv1976 Dec 12, 2025 3:13 pm

PIE-TPA on MK?

dliesse Dec 12, 2025 6:01 pm

Nope. Remember that the first two had one airport correct -- but which one?

Another hint: someone (nobody in particular, just someone) is sure to accuse me of posting a trick question!

ft101 Dec 12, 2025 8:59 pm


Originally Posted by dliesse (Post 37476855)
What service in the 1960s was likely the shortest scheduled route ever operated in the US, possibly anywhere?

Shorter than WRY - PPW on LM? That's 1.8 miles (2.7km).

YVR Cockroach Dec 13, 2025 9:42 am


Originally Posted by dliesse (Post 37478846)
Nope. Remember that the first two had one airport correct -- but which one?

Another hint: someone (nobody in particular, just someone) is sure to accuse me of posting a trick question!

Well, the only tricky bit is that one of the airports in question is no longer used for commercial flights, and was very briefly used for such even if it was. If such, my guess is OAK-HWD (7 miles). As for which airline if so, I have no clue,

FWIW, it seems there are a surprising number of close-by U.S. airport pairs that are "11 miles" apart (according to gcmap.com).



dliesse Dec 13, 2025 12:46 pm

Two more hints, one fairly cryptic:
  1. The airline in question has been mentioned, but not by name.
  2. The original question is worded very carefully to not use a specific word that everyone is assuming.

dliesse Dec 13, 2025 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by ft101 (Post 37479094)
Shorter than WRY - PPW on LM? That's 1.8 miles (2.7km).

Yep, shorter than that!

dliesse Dec 14, 2025 9:56 pm

I'll give y'all one more day, and if there are no more guesses I'll assume everyone's getting frustrated. Given that today is the weekend, I'll allow that folks may have other obligations (I spent the day turning in a rather poor performance in a cribbage tournament).

Herb687 Dec 14, 2025 10:32 pm


Originally Posted by dliesse (Post 37479997)
Two more hints, one fairly cryptic:
  1. The airline in question has been mentioned, but not by name.
  2. The original question is worded very carefully to not use a specific word that everyone is assuming.

If hint #1 is the cryptic one, I think it's actually not cryptic at all and confirms my first guess that the airline in question is SFO Helicopter Airlines. And I'm sure hint #2 refers to the fact that all airplanes are aircraft but not all aircraft are airplanes. SFO Helicopter Airlines flying rotorcraft of course.

But where did this Sikorsky S-61 go?

Originally Posted by ft101 (Post 37479094)
Shorter than WRY - PPW on LM? That's 1.8 miles (2.7km).


Originally Posted by dliesse (Post 37479998)
Yep, shorter than that!

That's one short flight.

I'm looking at an old SF sectional chart and, based on that, will guess KSFO to the SF Coast Guard base.

Revised guess: KOAK to Downtown Oakland Heliport (old sectionals don't show airport identifier codes)

guv1976 Dec 15, 2025 9:11 pm


Originally Posted by Herb687 (Post 37482316)
If hint #1 is the cryptic one, I think it's actually not cryptic at all and confirms my first guess that the airline in question is SFO Helicopter Airlines. And I'm sure hint #2 refers to the fact that all airplanes are aircraft but not all aircraft are airplanes. SFO Helicopter Airlines flying rotorcraft of course.

But where did this Sikorsky S-61 go?
That's one short flight.

I'm looking at an old SF sectional chart and, based on that, will guess KSFO to the SF Coast Guard base.

Revised guess: KOAK to Downtown Oakland Heliport (old sectionals don't show airport identifier codes)

According to the Wikipedia entry for the airline, the Downtown Oakland Heliport atop the AlcoPark garage was coded JOK.

Herb687 Dec 16, 2025 11:20 am

I will let my last guess stand so we can start eliminating airports/heliports but I imagine it is wrong as I should know that OAK (even the present day GA area/north field; not sure when the newer airline terminal complex and massive fill in the bay to create runway 11/29 were completed) to downtown Oakland is more than 1.8 miles.


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 37484076)
According to the Wikipedia entry for the airline, the Downtown Oakland Heliport atop the AlcoPark garage was coded JOK.

Here's an article on the defunct heliport complete with photo of an SFO Helicopter helicopter:
https://localwiki.org/oakland/Heliport

guv1976 Dec 16, 2025 1:48 pm

Did the helicopter airline ever fly between JOK and JFZ (Oakland Hyatt Heliport), perhaps as a stub to or from SFO?


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