Is the standard now for window shades to be closed on all flights at all times?
Jul 14, 2022, 3:17 pm
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Funny, recently I was on an ATL to LGA flight at 9:30 AM, presumably with a lot of business travel customers. All windows were shut in F, and presumably most were .... in Y, all flight. That's a classic morning / daytime flight.
Jul 14, 2022, 4:00 pm
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yeah, sorry, nope ... window addict here; on a daytime flight I'll pull the shade part way down if the sun is shining *directly* in the window (or if there's significant glare/reflection), but otherwise it goes up as soon as I take my seat ... that said, if the adjacent passenger complains, I'll gladly discuss the definition of "part way down" without getting a FA involved
Jul 14, 2022, 4:08 pm
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I prefer closed but I also sit in the aisle. If the sun isn't glaring through the window and not disrupting IFE or computer screen I don't care. If it is and the window passenger isn't looking out the window I might ask nicely if they would lower the blind. Their attitude and cooperation will be mirrored should they ask me rise so they can access the aisle.
Jul 14, 2022, 4:08 pm
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I've only had hundreds of Bay Area airport departures and never tire of looking out the window at/after takeoff.
Jul 15, 2022, 12:27 am
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Can't believe the aircraft makers haven't pitched a no-window version of their models for passenger use yet.
I'm sure it's cheaper to build without windows than with, and if there's one thing we know about big companies, it's how they worship money.
Stick a couple of cameras outside on each side of the plane and pipe in "a full color, HD, wide angle view" onto PTV screens or streaming onto pax devices. Those who really want to "look out the window" can do so with a selection of views, never with water spots or dirt obstructing the view, always with a much larger angle of sky and ground than you can ever get out of a tiny window.
Those who demand real windows can book exit rows for a premium.
Win-win for everyone.
I'm sure it's cheaper to build without windows than with, and if there's one thing we know about big companies, it's how they worship money.
Stick a couple of cameras outside on each side of the plane and pipe in "a full color, HD, wide angle view" onto PTV screens or streaming onto pax devices. Those who really want to "look out the window" can do so with a selection of views, never with water spots or dirt obstructing the view, always with a much larger angle of sky and ground than you can ever get out of a tiny window.
Those who demand real windows can book exit rows for a premium.
Win-win for everyone.
Jul 15, 2022, 1:47 am
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Can't believe the aircraft makers haven't pitched a no-window version of their models for passenger use yet.
I'm sure it's cheaper to build without windows than with, and if there's one thing we know about big companies, it's how they worship money.
Stick a couple of cameras outside on each side of the plane and pipe in "a full color, HD, wide angle view" onto PTV screens or streaming onto pax devices. Those who really want to "look out the window" can do so with a selection of views, never with water spots or dirt obstructing the view, always with a much larger angle of sky and ground than you can ever get out of a tiny window.
I'm sure it's cheaper to build without windows than with, and if there's one thing we know about big companies, it's how they worship money.
Stick a couple of cameras outside on each side of the plane and pipe in "a full color, HD, wide angle view" onto PTV screens or streaming onto pax devices. Those who really want to "look out the window" can do so with a selection of views, never with water spots or dirt obstructing the view, always with a much larger angle of sky and ground than you can ever get out of a tiny window.
Jul 15, 2022, 7:40 am
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Personally, I would never fly on a plane with no windows. Having survived a couple emergency landings - the sort where there are fire trucks and ambulances waiting for your plane to stop moving before they come rushing over - I want to be able to see what's happening during take-off and landing, and what the conditions outside are if there is an emergency evacuation ordered.
Jul 15, 2022, 9:00 am
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And of course, the cameras will be working just fine during these emergency procedures! One might actually want to see what is going on right outside his/her window, i.e., the fire is behind me, in front of me, etc.
Jul 15, 2022, 11:46 am
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You make assumptions that I don't trust - like that when there's an electrical problem, the damn cameras would actually still work, and that forward-facing cameras would show you all that is relevant to a safe emergency evacuation outside the aircraft.
Jul 15, 2022, 11:56 am
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Jul 15, 2022, 12:03 pm
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Also, your monitors idea involves actually being positioned in front of one. An emergency evacuation is a situation where people are out of their seats, moving, trying to reach a safe exit point. You can see flames even through a hazy window, and great big fire trucks are also pretty easy to spot, even at night.
Also, the "
" is ridiculously childish, especially in the context of the topic of emergency evacuations.
Jul 15, 2022, 12:26 pm
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No assumption involved, 3 lived experiences.
Also, your monitors idea involves actually being positioned in front of one. An emergency evacuation is a situation where people are out of their seats, moving, trying to reach a safe exit point. You can see flames even through a hazy window, and great big fire trucks are also pretty easy to spot, even at night.
Also, the "" is ridiculously childish, especially in the context of the topic of emergency evacuations.
Also, your monitors idea involves actually being positioned in front of one. An emergency evacuation is a situation where people are out of their seats, moving, trying to reach a safe exit point. You can see flames even through a hazy window, and great big fire trucks are also pretty easy to spot, even at night.
Also, the "
" is ridiculously childish, especially in the context of the topic of emergency evacuations.My idea was in response to the posit of airlines eliminating windows entirely. As I think the odds of that are longer than the odds of any individual experiencing three separate evacuations of airplanes in their lifetime, this conversation is 100% hypothetical. And subject to emoticons.
Jul 15, 2022, 1:37 pm
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If you've lived through three experiences in your lifetime where you've had to evacuate a plane because of a crash, you must realize that you're a complete outlier.
My idea was in response to the posit of airlines eliminating windows entirely. As I think the odds of that are longer than the odds of any individual experiencing three separate evacuations of airplanes in their lifetime, this conversation is 100% hypothetical. And subject to emoticons.
My idea was in response to the posit of airlines eliminating windows entirely. As I think the odds of that are longer than the odds of any individual experiencing three separate evacuations of airplanes in their lifetime, this conversation is 100% hypothetical. And subject to emoticons.
Jul 15, 2022, 1:52 pm
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Jul 15, 2022, 4:59 pm
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I too have had an emergency landing - no flaps on our little CR200, and I was in the exit row, so the FA came and gave us the REAL briefing on what to do if it came to that.
It diidn't come to anything. It was a hot landing, one the pilots have practiced for countless times. The lights on the firetrucks were pretty, though.
It didn't change my outlook over windows, exit rows, or safety of planes.
It diidn't come to anything. It was a hot landing, one the pilots have practiced for countless times. The lights on the firetrucks were pretty, though.
It didn't change my outlook over windows, exit rows, or safety of planes.