So we can assume the airlines will use COVID to screw customers?
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So we can assume the airlines will use COVID to screw customers?
I see lots of airlines saying no carry-ons and no more free upgrades as a "safety measure." Explain to me how upgrading FF poses a health risk exactly? This helps nothing but the airline's bottom line. They should be cleaning every seat on the plane, and even if they NEEDED to know who was going to be where, they could close the upgrade window at t+12h or something. Beyond that, you can be sure if someone pays to upgrade 15 minutes before the flight they airline won't balk. No meals on longhauls, no lounges, but don't worry tickets will still be expensive! Just like all those "temporary" fees airlines institute that never go away.
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United shows (again) it protects profits over staff and customers
United has now said that the role of plane staff is "informational" rather than enforcement for mask wearing.
This is notable.
First, compassion for the attendants: Enforcing mask-wearing is a tricky role in an emotionally heightened stress time.
However, United DOES mandate an enforcement role to attendants over such matters, as, for example, someone moving from a basic economy seat to an economy plus seat. There, enforcement. Purpose: Profit protection for shareholders (and the executives whose compensation is linked to share price).
For mere protection of the health of the light attendants or passengers--which is what mask wearing is about--that's "informational."
This prioritization of profits and executive compensation over health is morally repugnant as well as insane from a public health perspective, in my opinion.
This is notable.
First, compassion for the attendants: Enforcing mask-wearing is a tricky role in an emotionally heightened stress time.
However, United DOES mandate an enforcement role to attendants over such matters, as, for example, someone moving from a basic economy seat to an economy plus seat. There, enforcement. Purpose: Profit protection for shareholders (and the executives whose compensation is linked to share price).
For mere protection of the health of the light attendants or passengers--which is what mask wearing is about--that's "informational."
This prioritization of profits and executive compensation over health is morally repugnant as well as insane from a public health perspective, in my opinion.
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I'm seeing reduced carry-ons, so laptop bags etc are OK but not rollaboards. A reason I've seen given is to reduce congestion getting on and off as people struggle with these larger bags. I have also noticed that these rollaboards will be carried in the hold free of charge.
Seems fair enough to me.
Seems fair enough to me.
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I'm seeing reduced carry-ons, so laptop bags etc are OK but not rollaboards. A reason I've seen given is to reduce congestion getting on and off as people struggle with these larger bags. I have also noticed that these rollaboards will be carried in the hold free of charge.
Seems fair enough to me.
Seems fair enough to me.
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I see lots of airlines saying no carry-ons and no more free upgrades as a "safety measure." Explain to me how upgrading FF poses a health risk exactly? This helps nothing but the airline's bottom line. They should be cleaning every seat on the plane, and even if they NEEDED to know who was going to be where, they could close the upgrade window at t+12h or something. Beyond that, you can be sure if someone pays to upgrade 15 minutes before the flight they airline won't balk. No meals on longhauls, no lounges, but don't worry tickets will still be expensive! Just like all those "temporary" fees airlines institute that never go away.
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Carry on restrictions I've been able to find:
Emirates - no carry ons except a handbag or briefcase
Scoot - carry on limited to 3 kgs
Lufthansa - strongly encouraging only one carry on (no size or weight specified)
Finnair - one carry on that must fit under the seat
Emirates, Scoot, and Lufthansa seem to be increasing the checked bag allowance
Emirates - no carry ons except a handbag or briefcase
Scoot - carry on limited to 3 kgs
Lufthansa - strongly encouraging only one carry on (no size or weight specified)
Finnair - one carry on that must fit under the seat
Emirates, Scoot, and Lufthansa seem to be increasing the checked bag allowance
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Pretty simple what will happen
I see lots of airlines saying no carry-ons and no more free upgrades as a "safety measure." Explain to me how upgrading FF poses a health risk exactly? This helps nothing but the airline's bottom line. They should be cleaning every seat on the plane, and even if they NEEDED to know who was going to be where, they could close the upgrade window at t+12h or something. Beyond that, you can be sure if someone pays to upgrade 15 minutes before the flight they airline won't balk. No meals on longhauls, no lounges, but don't worry tickets will still be expensive! Just like all those "temporary" fees airlines institute that never go away.
When we do fly upgrades will be harder to get even for premium flyers.Most rational people will not fly at all if they don't need to. Business travelers will only fly when it's really necessary. What good is flying to visit a customer if the customer won't get near you or even let you visit them, take them to lunch/dinner in the first place if there is a place open to take them? What good is going on vacation if there are limited places to go & zero entertainment? I won't fly without carry ons, my briefcase will always stay with me. I will be forced into zoom calls for the foreseeable future. When I must take the chance to fly
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Yes, some airlines are doing it already! Flying premium class nowadys mean seating in a F or C seats only!!. If you are lucky you can have a suite and cocoon yourself. But the rest of the premium services are gone! Appalling attitudes!! In the future I will have to inform myself profoundly over the services available onboard through the airlines before booking. Better have it in written form, so you have something against them if they do not deliver as offered!
Let us see if they are willing to bring back those lost services soon or if they charge us extra for them!!
Let us see if they are willing to bring back those lost services soon or if they charge us extra for them!!