txflyer77

An A320 could use any of those three runways.

Living in Boulder, sure, I'd love not to have to drive all the way around the city to DEN.

But there's a reason I fly into SFO instead of OAK on my business trips—frequency. Meetings cancelled? Hop on an earlier flight. IRROPs? Plenty of backups. Service into secondary airports is unlikely to match the frequency on a major route like that (UA has >15 flights/day), so I'm stuck.

That assumes the schedule would even work for me in the first place. Airport location ultimately doesn't get to dictate my travel plans—price and meeting *my* schedule determines which airline I book.

COSPILOT

Hell will freeze over before any of the airports mentioned allow commercial service. I have frequented every airport you mentioned and hundreds more in my private airplane, and love just about all of them. You will never see commercial service in your lifetime or mine. I'm not sure of Australia's attitude, but I live near the Air Force Academy, and despite the fact that it was here long before housing developed around it to the east and north, many locals complain that the airfield should be closed out of noise consideration. I personally don't mind, in fact I even enjoy it. Tomorrow is graduation which will include not only the Thunderbirds, but the B2. Nevertheless, complaints will show up on social media. Point being so many people are against everything airport wise, it's the nature of the beast here.

Even if you could win over local support, adding commercial travel means TSA agents, the required equipment for security, etc. This isn't something simple like adding a gas station (sorry, petrol and even that is a controversy. Welcome to the USA, where some complain about everything.

OZFLYER86

& THIS

They plan to fly from secondary airports in the New York (Stewart), DC (Baltimore), Chicago (Gary, Indiana), San Francisco (Oakland, San Jose), and LA (Burbank, Ontario, Orange County) areas. They’ll fly to places like Orlando Sanford and St. Petersburg, Florida.

They want to fly to Mesa, Arizona rather than Phoenix, Concord not Charlotte, and Fort Worth Meacham. Even Cleveland would be served via Burke Lakefront Airport.
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea...and-60-planes/

below is from wikipedia



was just thinking outside the box. Many airports like list from wikipedia, don't have lot of services at present, but if you live close by, it sure beats a long hike & long time getting in & out of big airports.

COSPILOT

Totally agree with what you are thinking, but what I want doesn't matter if 95% of the others disagree. I'd park a cheap helicopter in my driveway if I could get away with it.

jrl767

OZFLYER86

[QUOTE=jrl767;31152282]if you live close to a 2ndary airport, it will be a no brainer. Allegiant form what I know, does lots of very small towns very infrequently. Suggest Moxy might do some 2ndary airports many times a day. Don't think Moxy are trying to take over the world, but just make it easier for passengers & business people will love using smaller airports, as quick to get in & out of.

heard the same arguments about Sydney airports. If a 2ndary airport is closer & easier to get in & out of, it will be used. Time is money & if a business person can save 3 or 4 hours stuffing around on a day trip, then it will be very popular.

Cloudship

This is Neelman. This is a start - I would not take the small airport thing as the ultimate strategy. Isn't this how JetBlue started?

Badenoch

The minutes you save not going to a congested airport are spent on a congested highway getting to a remote aerodrome. Public transit isn't an option because the buses, trains and subways don't extend to rural cornfields. The money saved on parking is spent on gasoline driving to the hinterlands.

That nice lounge that frequent flyers can spend their time in is replaced by hard-backed plastic chairs in a waiting area where food and drink are dispensed by vending machines.

And if the weather gets bad or your plane breaks down you are stuck in a distant location with few options other than to sit in a spartan waiting room until the storm passes or the mechanics arrive.

84fiero

Keep in mind those are speculative, though educated, guesses. Nothing has been confirmed or set in stone as yet and won't be for some time.

And by the way, where are those flying personal cars that they've been promising us since 1950?

Well, Moxy is willing to do so, as long as there is a viable business case for it. I hope they succeed, as we need more competition, and I'd certainly give them a try if they meet my needs for a particular trip. But success is far from a sure bet.

Whether it's a no-brainer depends on the details. As I mentioned before, the thin frequency and lack of robust backup options in the case of IRROPS is a limiting factor for the likes of Allegiant - definitely for business travelers but even for some leisure travelers.

It just depends on the specifics of the services offered...yes business travelers like convenience and saving time, but just as importantly in many cases, they need flexibility and good backup options.

Cloudship

There are a lot more people who fly than just upper management level business people. Yes that is a lucrative market, but it is also one that everyone competes for. Why not target the other flyers that the other airlines don't care about or target? They may not have as much potential revenue, but then you aren't competing as hard for them and they will end up costing you less to woo.

Plato90s

Those customers are low margins with higher levels of complaints since inexperienced travelers often have unrealistic expectations.

strickerj

COSPILOT

WestPac tried to use COS as a hub decades ago. We have the runways to handle any aircraft, but that doesn't mean an airline can make it profitable. We waisted money adding a terminal for them that was never used. I don't hold my breath for anything in aviation, as it's simply a waste of time.

84fiero

"Moxy" is just a working title for the airline - the actual name will be something else.

tmiw

Speaking of smaller city pairs, McClellan-Palomar Airport up in Carlsbad, CA has occasionally had passenger service, originally with United Express (EMB120 turboprops) and more recently California Pacific Airlnes (E135/145s). The latter airline only flew for a few months before folding, in fact. This despite there being enough population in the surrounding area that flights from there could theoretically capture a lot of passengers who would otherwise have flown out of SNA or SAN.

Anyway, the point is that it's going to take more than a supposed desire to "avoid big airports" for Moxy or some other similar competitor to succeed.