Jul 20, 2019, 7:49 pm
737-Max 8 safety concerns
Jun 10, 2019, 10:06 am
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https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...oeing-737-max/
Also, I saw this morning that AA extended their MAX cancelations through 03 Sep.
Also, I saw this morning that AA extended their MAX cancelations through 03 Sep.
I just saw that as well. wonder if the "bookies" are taking bets on whether the Max will see service again? Certainly I would assume orders will drop. Am hoping AS does not go through with the Max. It's a flawed bird just like it's designers
Jun 13, 2019, 6:47 am
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https://amp.businessinsider.com/boei...fficial-2019-6
The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) indicated Wednesday that Boeing's 737 Max planes, which have been grounded around the world since March, could be out of action for even longer than expected.Ali Bahrami, the FAA's associate administrator for aviation safety, said at a speech in Cologne, Germany, that the plane will likely be airborne again by December.
He was speaking at at a safety conference held by the FAA and Europe's EASA regulator.He said that the FAA is under a lot "lot of pressure" and that the plane will return to the skies "when we believe it is safe," Bloomberg reported.
He was speaking at at a safety conference held by the FAA and Europe's EASA regulator.He said that the FAA is under a lot "lot of pressure" and that the plane will return to the skies "when we believe it is safe," Bloomberg reported.
Jun 13, 2019, 8:09 am
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At least one FAA official is now saying December for a MAX return.
https://amp.businessinsider.com/boei...fficial-2019-6
https://amp.businessinsider.com/boei...fficial-2019-6
So reading between the lines he is contradicting Boeing's statement that the plane is fixed and ready to fly, yes ? Maybe. Boeing has handled this miserable and can not seem to drag themselves up to ground level. I still say there needs to be a swift change in management beginning with the President bring Mulvany (sp) back for the interim he has creditability.
Jun 14, 2019, 1:16 am
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Catastrophes at a giant company are about a breakdown in culture, starting with ownership, then cascading down to several layers of leadership.
Solution here is probably a bottom-up cleanout.
It's quite serious. At the moment Boeing has achieved the incredible feat of getting the must lucrative passengers to actually be concerned about what plane they are flying on,
https://www.ft.com/content/0cc0daf0-...1-51bf8f989972
"Business travellers express nerves over return of 737 Max"
So it's going to be an uphill battle if Boeing think's it can simply declare "problem fixed"
Solution here is probably a bottom-up cleanout.
It's quite serious. At the moment Boeing has achieved the incredible feat of getting the must lucrative passengers to actually be concerned about what plane they are flying on,
https://www.ft.com/content/0cc0daf0-...1-51bf8f989972
"Business travellers express nerves over return of 737 Max"
So it's going to be an uphill battle if Boeing think's it can simply declare "problem fixed"
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Jun 14, 2019, 7:13 am
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Catastrophes at a giant company are about a breakdown in culture, starting with ownership, then cascading down to several layers of leadership.
Solution here is probably a bottom-up cleanout.
It's quite serious. At the moment Boeing has achieved the incredible feat of getting the must lucrative passengers to actually be concerned about what plane they are flying on,
https://www.ft.com/content/0cc0daf0-...1-51bf8f989972
"Business travellers express nerves over return of 737 Max"
So it's going to be an uphill battle if Boeing think's it can simply declare "problem fixed"
Solution here is probably a bottom-up cleanout.
It's quite serious. At the moment Boeing has achieved the incredible feat of getting the must lucrative passengers to actually be concerned about what plane they are flying on,
https://www.ft.com/content/0cc0daf0-...1-51bf8f989972
"Business travellers express nerves over return of 737 Max"
So it's going to be an uphill battle if Boeing think's it can simply declare "problem fixed"
Jun 16, 2019, 2:54 pm
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Hi all,
Boeing finally admits mistake the 737-MAX issues.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/natio...616-story.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/boei...ir-show-2019-6
Hopefully the 737-MAX to put back in the air later this year..
Boeing finally admits mistake the 737-MAX issues.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/natio...616-story.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/boei...ir-show-2019-6
Hopefully the 737-MAX to put back in the air later this year..
Jun 16, 2019, 5:56 pm
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All that was admitted was
Or a non-admission admission of mistake.
Boeing's communication with regulators, customers and the public "was not consistent. And that's unacceptable."
That's the classic non-apology apology.Or a non-admission admission of mistake.
Jun 17, 2019, 2:36 am
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So why would they ever apologize or admit doing anything wrong? No, they apologize for you being so fallible and weak. And they are right - because as a society we accept and richly reward this behavior from them.
Jun 17, 2019, 6:31 am
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This is a standard trait of the modern cadre of corporate psychopaths: the've never done anything wrong and they never fail - only resigning with golden parachutes and getting promoted elsewhere. If things have gone wrong, it must be with everyone else - in their reception, perception, or emotions. But that's really their failing, not these guys. They are perfect. And that is why they get paid so much.
So why would they ever apologize or admit doing anything wrong? No, they apologize for you being so fallible and weak. And they are right - because as a society we accept and richly reward this behavior from them.
So why would they ever apologize or admit doing anything wrong? No, they apologize for you being so fallible and weak. And they are right - because as a society we accept and richly reward this behavior from them.
Jun 17, 2019, 10:55 am
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Jun 17, 2019, 11:01 am
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Following the rebranding advice from the President
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Boeing Says It’s Open to Changing the Name of Grounded 737 Max Jet
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ed-737-max-jet
?Boeing Says It’s Open to Changing the Name of Grounded 737 Max Jet
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ed-737-max-jet
Jun 17, 2019, 12:20 pm
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Who needs to fly the airplane to test it?
Seems like Boeing learned little after the MCAS fiasco with their Max, now they think they can shorten the evaluation process and "cost" by doing it all with simulations!
My experience with simulations is summarized by this quote from ME " Simulations tell you about yesterday's results tomorrow" Again and again I've found simulations even from the best experts and most comprehensive models often fail to extrapolate to new corners, after many iterations they can usually interpolate.
Or in the MCAS case with Max, is it now fully obvious that what was put int the final production was NEVER predicted to have behaved like it did. Now they understand they can put it into the simulator, but before the crashes NOBODY at Boeing could have predicted this, nor would it have put into the the simulations.
This observation above is also why those who copy others for complex mechanical as well as software often can never produce the full envelope of experience as the original as they don't understand how they got there. Or to the layman, think about cooking, even with the same recipe two people often can't replicate the same dish as the master, even if the recipe is every detailed.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-f...-idUSKCN1TH0A3
My experience with simulations is summarized by this quote from ME " Simulations tell you about yesterday's results tomorrow" Again and again I've found simulations even from the best experts and most comprehensive models often fail to extrapolate to new corners, after many iterations they can usually interpolate.
Or in the MCAS case with Max, is it now fully obvious that what was put int the final production was NEVER predicted to have behaved like it did. Now they understand they can put it into the simulator, but before the crashes NOBODY at Boeing could have predicted this, nor would it have put into the the simulations.
This observation above is also why those who copy others for complex mechanical as well as software often can never produce the full envelope of experience as the original as they don't understand how they got there. Or to the layman, think about cooking, even with the same recipe two people often can't replicate the same dish as the master, even if the recipe is every detailed.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-f...-idUSKCN1TH0A3
Jun 19, 2019, 1:14 am
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https://amp.businessinsider.com/boei...fficial-2019-6
The FAA says Boeing's troubled 737 Max may not fly again until December — far later than many expected
Guess they have wait until December. Once they fix the software and they will put back in the air later this year.
The FAA says Boeing's troubled 737 Max may not fly again until December — far later than many expected
Guess they have wait until December. Once they fix the software and they will put back in the air later this year.
Jun 19, 2019, 9:02 am
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Seems like Boeing learned little after the MCAS fiasco with their Max, now they think they can shorten the evaluation process and "cost" by doing it all with simulations!
My experience with simulations is summarized by this quote from ME " Simulations tell you about yesterday's results tomorrow" Again and again I've found simulations even from the best experts and most comprehensive models often fail to extrapolate to new corners, after many iterations they can usually interpolate.
My experience with simulations is summarized by this quote from ME " Simulations tell you about yesterday's results tomorrow" Again and again I've found simulations even from the best experts and most comprehensive models often fail to extrapolate to new corners, after many iterations they can usually interpolate.
I suspect that the MCAS issue on the MAX is less subtle than eliminating tests in favor of simulations - when the late changes were made to how much and how fast it could move the stabilizer, it likely could have been flagged if someone did a pencil and paper failure modes analysis on what happens if you have a sensor failure during different flight phases.
Jun 19, 2019, 10:57 am
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/physica...ht-11560937879
In a flight-simulator test earlier this month, The Wall Street Journal’s Scott McCartney and pilot Roddy Guthrie, fleet captain for the 737 at American Airlines, experienced troubles in turning the wheel. As described in a June 5 article, Capt. Guthrie couldn’t move the wheel until Mr. McCartney pitched the plane’s nose down, easing some of the pressure on the wheel.
[Capt. Chelsey “Sully”] Sullenberger told the committee that he recently experienced a recreation of the fatal MAX flights in a flight simulator. He came away from it understanding how crews could have been overwhelmed by alerts and warnings without enough time to fix the problem.