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737-Max 8 safety concerns

Old Mar 13, 2019, 11:13 am
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It's called erring on the side of caution.
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 11:28 am
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Here's some more perspective...

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-s...n-the-737-max/
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 11:29 am
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Originally Posted by sddjd
Meanwhile, the FAA continues to be FACT and DATA based, something politicians and media blissfully ignores.
The FACT is the FAA ignored the pilots.

Meanwhile, Canada grounded the 737 Max today.

And the Eithopians don't trust America to investigate the crash.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/worl...-737-max-8-to/

Ethiopian Airlines has decided to send the black box from its crashed airplane to Europe for analysis, rather than to the United States where the Boeing 737 Max 8 was manufactured.

The decision, in defiance of U.S. requests, is the latest sign of the world’s growing distrust of the United States on aviation safety issues. While U.S. regulators and Boeing have continued to insist that the Max 8 is safe, most other countries have ordered the grounding of the aircraft, leaving the United States increasingly isolated on the safety issue.
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 11:54 am
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Originally Posted by Badenoch
The FACT is the FAA ignored the pilots.

And the Eithopians don't trust America to investigate the crash.
This illustrates my point perfectly- the FAA bases its airworthiness classifications on data and facts, not the complaints of a small handful of pilots that did not even fall under formal reports. Further, the two documented instances had nothing to do with MCAS and were autoflight anomalies easily addressed without said flights returning to origin. It's interesting, but not surprising, that all are jumping on "the FAA ignored pilots" while ignoring that the APA (representing over 15,000 pilots) has stated its support of the plane.

As for ETH refusing to send the black boxes to Boeing, more political theater. Who does the airline think the EU will consult with to evaluate the data recorders? Next we'll read that they'll ask Airbus SE to review the data as an impartial party.

"The decision, in defiance of U.S. requests, is the latest sign of the world’s growing distrust of the United States on aviation safety issues." - This is pure reporter click-bait commentary and must be why so many countries continue to order and operate these jets. It's most troubling that investigations are now being influenced by media and emotions in lieu of study.
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 12:39 pm
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Trump just announced an emergency order to ground the MAX 8 and MAX 9 in the USA. Planes currently in flight can continue to their (next) destination.
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 1:09 pm
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Originally Posted by sddjd
Meanwhile, the FAA continues to be FACT and DATA based, something politicians and media blissfully ignores.
Unfortunately, Donald Trump has decided to overrule fact and data.
"We're gonna be issuing an emergency order to ground all flights of the 737 MAX 8 and the 737 MAX 9, and planes associated with that line," Mr. Trump told reporters.
Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-a...-live-updates/
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 1:14 pm
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The guy finally did something right!
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 1:54 pm
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Originally Posted by emma69
The guy finally did something right!
Made a knee-jerk emotional decision that was not data-driven?

So now we have 7M8 and 7M9s grounded. For how long? What does anyone (FAA, Boeing) plan on doing during this grounding that will mean we will know more in a week or a month than we do today in order to unground the fleet?

Ok, so we are "investigating" stuff with these aircraft? What is being investigated? We already have a pretty good handle on what happened with Lion Air.
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 1:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Gig103
Unfortunately, Donald Trump has decided to overrule fact and data.
"We're gonna be issuing an emergency order to ground all flights of the 737 MAX 8 and the 737 MAX 9, and planes associated with that line," Mr. Trump told reporters.
Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-a...-live-updates/
Disagree. Their tweet / release clearly states that this was done in light of new data...


"The agency made this decision as a result of the data gathering process and new evidence collected at the site and analyzed today."

This leads me to think something is wrong indeed. Specially if, as you stated, they base themselves on data.
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 3:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Herb687
Made a knee-jerk emotional decision that was not data-driven?

So now we have 7M8 and 7M9s grounded. For how long? What does anyone (FAA, Boeing) plan on doing during this grounding that will mean we will know more in a week or a month than we do today in order to unground the fleet?

Ok, so we are "investigating" stuff with these aircraft? What is being investigated? We already have a pretty good handle on what happened with Lion Air.
We do? What's the "good handle" on what happened with Lion Air?
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 3:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Herb687
Made a knee-jerk emotional decision that was not data-driven?

So now we have 7M8 and 7M9s grounded. For how long? What does anyone (FAA, Boeing) plan on doing during this grounding that will mean we will know more in a week or a month than we do today in order to unground the fleet?

Ok, so we are "investigating" stuff with these aircraft? What is being investigated? We already have a pretty good handle on what happened with Lion Air.
Was the decision on 9/11 data driven? Was every single plane either in or likely to enter US airspace hijacked? No data to support that was there?
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 4:17 pm
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Originally Posted by s0ssos
We do? What's the "good handle" on what happened with Lion Air?
Faulty angle of attack (AOA) sensor data causing flight control software to trim stabilizer nose down.
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 4:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Silver Fox
Was the decision on 9/11 data driven?
You chose just about the poorest comparison possible given how much of what was done in the wake of 9/11 was completely knee-jerk and emotional.
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Originally Posted by Herb687
Faulty angle of attack (AOA) sensor data causing flight control software to trim stabilizer nose down.
Oh, so has that issue been fixed?
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Old Mar 13, 2019, 4:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Herb687
You chose just about the poorest comparison possible given how much of what was done in the wake of 9/11 was completely knee-jerk and emotional.
That was my point. Perhaps I misunderstood yours. Could you clarify?
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