catcher1

I am a man, and I use the lav to change into PJs on long hauls. And I have experienced long waits for a guy to use the lav. And I think it's poor conduct for guys leave the seat up, as they often do.

Badenoch

You may self-identify as male but no man ever whines about the seat being left up. Poor conduct is having the seat down when you whiz and leaving it pee spattered.

And PJs are what males wear until around the age of 11.

catcher1

Opinions are like you. Everybody has one.

Annalisa12

and men pee all over the floor at the best of time, let alone add turbulence and a confined space and us women don't want to go in to the loo after you men.

GUWonder

Badenoch

So we can put you down in support of separating the sexes on planes? This idea may have more support than first thought

emma69

There are airlines with women-only loos - Interjet is the one that springs to mind, but there are others as well.

I think segregating airlines is a bad idea, especially in an age when 'self identification' seemingly trumps all other determinations anyway. Not to mention, what age child is no longer appropriate in a women-only zone (a sign at a local swimming pool years ago said boys over the age of 8 could not use the ladies changing room, for example)

As a woman who has been in uncomfortable situations, you have to be your own advocate. For some, that is saying loudly "OH was that you touching me!" or less obvious to the action itself simply "Please don't do that". If you have a hard time with that, go and see a flight attendant - female, if that makes you more comfortable - I can't recall the last flight I took where there wasn't a female member of crew on board. Failing all else, a little 'localized turbulence' resulting in a drink to the crotch works pretty effectively too.

DragonSoul

Hey! This weak, short, 60-something woman finds a way of not imposing on a "tall and robust man" to help her. Last trip with 2x8kg carry-ons the answer was to climb onto the armrest, which are pretty sturdy on an A340 J seat. No "tall and robust man" was imposed on I assure you. BTW, even "tall and robust men" can fairly useless at putting bags in the overhead.

BuildingMyBento

I've noticed female-only lavs on ANA (NH), and possibly JL.

WorldLux

No. Neither do I disagree with the Niqab lines at immigration.

A few metro lines in Tokyo and Dubai have them as well. They are IMO justified as these trains get extremely crowded at times, making it easy for perverts to grope someone. Given that passengers on a fight have assigned seats, I don't see the overcrowding issue. I'm not sure if the cost to implement this is in relation to the benefits.

TravelLawyer

I got confused. Thought I was reading Omni and not TravelBuzz. I am not going to comment on all the specific privileged misogynistic comments that are sprinkled throughout this thread, other than to say that I have been groped on a plane before (recently - in the past 3 years), and I did not report it. My upgrade didn’t clear and I was in economy on a long-haul 15 hr international flight. Dozed off and woke up startled with the man next to me trying to retract his hand from under my blanket from my crotch. I pressed the flight attendant call button and no one came. Instead it was remotely turned off without anyone coming about 5 minutes later (or eternity as it felt like). I didn’t know what to do and was embarrassed at that point (no idea why I would feel that way then since all I feel now is anger over it), so I just stayed awake the rest of the flight with about 10 hrs remaining. So yes, this crap happens. It can happen to anyone - including educated western frequent flyers. And unless it happens to you, it’s easy to say what you coulda, woulda, shoulda done. While I’m not advocating that there be separate section for women just to not get harassed on planes, women should just not get harassed or molested on planes period.

Badenoch

Not all 60 year old women are gymnasts. Those who stand on armrests often enough will eventually need a tall and robust man to pick them up off the floor when they fall.

JY1024

Enough! Political commentary and legal discourse has been removed, as it is not the subject of this thread. International human rights and justice systems can be discussed in OMNI or other non-FT fora. Let’s please stay on topic - thank you.

/Moderator

FliesWay2Much

Along the lines of Post #12 , is anyone old enough to remember PSA's (Pacific Southwest Airlines) "Men-Only" flights between LAX and SJC back in the 60s & 70s? Back then, they were flying Convair 580s and Lockheed Electras, so the flights took 2 hours. When I was assigned to Los Angeles AFB in the 1980s, my former colleagues told me that "Men-only" flights were on Thursdays and, as far as they knew, only between LAX and SJC. The flight attendants used to take off your shoes, put heavy socks on your feet and passed out drinks, food and cigars. I guess "Men-only" flights went the way of Ladies' Day at major league ballparks.

There's an entire thread on this subject in the UA Mileage Plus Forum.

bitterproffit

Sorry this happened to you. That is horrible. The person who did that should have been charged with a crime. I understand why you didn't say anything at the time, but this stuff won't stop until the abusers are called out and made to pay for their crime.

Men should not harass or molest women on planes. They should be held legally responsible when they do. To segregate women simply feeds in to the excuse that men cannot help themselves and gives them an out.