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Old Nov 12, 2018, 10:32 pm
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Do you feel comfortable flying the new 737-8/9 max given Boeings safety bulletin?

It appears Boeing withheld crucial information about a new automated stall-prevention system, which could be hazardous.
In view of that, how do you feel about flying the 737 MAX family?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bo...say-2018-11-12
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Old Nov 12, 2018, 11:29 pm
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I would not feel comfortable.
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Old Nov 13, 2018, 2:36 am
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“It’s pretty asinine for them to put a system on an airplane and not tell the pilots who are operating the airplane, especially when it deals with flight controls,” said Capt. Mike Michaelis, chairman of the safety committee for the Allied Pilots Association, which represents about 15,000 American Airlines pilots. “Why weren’t they trained on it?”


A similar scenario happened with another crash I watched on one of those air crash investigation documentaries, except I believe it was the airline that didn't do the training on a new system.

I can imagine the question on a customer service questionnaire: "How important is it that your pilot is fully trained on the aircraft they are flying? Choose one: Not At All Important, Somewhat Important, Quite Important, Very Important, Extremely Important - what are you f...... kidding me?!?!?!
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Old Nov 13, 2018, 5:49 pm
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No. I tend to not like flying on brand new aircraft. I still won't fly on the A380 and that has been around what, 10 years if not more? Though that seems more like a terrorist target (same with the 747).

I suppose I made an exception for the 787. Won't fly on an A350. Eventually I will feel comfortable with all of them (except A380) once the bugs are worked out.
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Old Nov 13, 2018, 6:16 pm
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I suppose I made an exception for the 787.
you mean the plane that from the get-go had issues with the batteries.............
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Old Nov 13, 2018, 6:23 pm
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Originally Posted by DragonSoul


A similar scenario happened with another crash I watched on one of those air crash investigation documentaries, except I believe it was the airline that didn't do the training on a new system.
I have seen every single episode of the show (all its 18 seasons) and that has happened more than once or twice, sometimes a knob is changed from one side to the other in a variant of the plane , pilots change from lets say 737-6 to 737-8 and bang

in another instance, russian pilots had a different policy on what to do when the collision system and traffic control had conflicting instructions ....and this led to a crash ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_%...licting_orders)

then several instances of autopilot being off (or on) when the pilots were not aware of (usually in airbus planes)

you watch enough seasons of the show you can almost predict whats going to happen after you see the signs
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Old Nov 14, 2018, 5:34 am
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Needless to say, this entire investigation has been "thrilling" given the three sectors I have on Malindo (KUL hq'ed subsidiary of Lion Air) coming up this Dec.
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Old Nov 16, 2018, 11:00 am
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I still won't fly on the A380 and that has been around what, 10 years if not more?
The A380 entered revenue service 11 years ago and is by no means "new." It's been around long enough that the first retirements are being discussed. I don't know what else you're waiting for.

I suppose I made an exception for the 787.
The 787 was / is much more problematic than the A380; it entered service years behind schedule and went through years of expensive, alarming teething. So I don't understand your logic at all.

I do think the MAX is worth avoiding pending definitive updates or fixes. LionAir next of kin are suing Boeing; we will know a lot more in due course.
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Old Nov 16, 2018, 7:19 pm
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The A380 entered revenue service 11 years ago and is by no means "new." It's been around long enough that the first retirements are being discussed. I don't know what else you're waiting for.



The 787 was / is much more problematic than the A380; it entered service years behind schedule and went through years of expensive, alarming teething. So I don't understand your logic at all.

I do think the MAX is worth avoiding pending definitive updates or fixes. LionAir next of kin are suing Boeing; we will know a lot more in due course.
You don't need to understand my logic. It's my opinion, full stop.
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Old Nov 17, 2018, 7:53 am
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You don't need to understand my logic. It's my opinion, full stop.
The age of the A380 is your opinion? Strange.
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Old Nov 18, 2018, 9:14 pm
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Originally Posted by DataJunkie
You don't need to understand my logic. It's my opinion, full stop.
DC-9's broken in enough to fly on?

The chance of having issues with any of the aircraft mentioned is orders of magnitudes smaller that that faced when driving to Grandma's for Thanksgiving.
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Old Nov 19, 2018, 12:18 am
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Originally Posted by DataJunkie
You don't need to understand my logic. It's my opinion, full stop.
They are quite rightly pointing out your opinion is completely irrational. That’s particularly ironic for someone who calls themselves DataJunkie.
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Old Nov 20, 2018, 7:29 am
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Originally Posted by DataJunkie
No. I tend to not like flying on brand new aircraft. I still won't fly on the A380 and that has been around what, 10 years if not more? Though that seems more like a terrorist target (same with the 747).

I suppose I made an exception for the 787. Won't fly on an A350. Eventually I will feel comfortable with all of them (except A380) once the bugs are worked out.
A380 is a terrorist target ? O_o

And you won't fly an A350 compared to the the B787 who was grounded in its first year and is currently under restrictions due to engine issues ?

After reading the article I would not fly the 737MAX, I am awaiting the full report.
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Old Nov 20, 2018, 3:56 pm
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I'll still fly the 7M8/9.
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Old Nov 20, 2018, 9:59 pm
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No, I'd worry more about select airlines and their standards as a whole then an individual aircraft model. That being said I may nor may not be holding my breath as Chinese made aircraft come into the market, seeing so many Chinese escalators horror videos has not helped .
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