Originally Posted by HLCinCOU
(Post 30361039)
Well this kind of changes the whole question of the thread. Now it's really not so much "should the government step in and regulate pitch" but "what should the FAA do in its new rule?"
I like that they made it the broader "seat dimensions" than pitch specifically, for the reasons outlined above. As I think is clear from my posts, I don't have super strong opinions on what they should do. But I'll be interested to see. |
The free market has been utter garbage in my lifetime, bring on the notice and comment. It's about time the Feds crashed this particular money train that the airlines use to milk more and more money for worse and worse seats.
With this Administration’s focus on deregulation, I would be very surprised if they put out anything that significantly changed the current seat sizes (at least based on the big 4 carriers). However, I do think this will open up opportunities for changes in the future, particularly as newer aircraft models come online. |
Originally Posted by dulciusexasperis
(Post 30362833)
And don't forget the increasing percentage of those clueless idiots who insist on taking their roll aboard bag with them when they do evacuate.
https://www.travelandleisure.com/tra...lane-emergency Then there are the disabled, parents with small children etc. who simply are going to be slower during an evacuation. How many of them are included when they do a test? The tests are a joke in my opinion. At best they test 'best possible time', not 'most likely time' to evacuate. |
Perhaps if planes had a wait of automatically locking the overhead bins?
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Originally Posted by FlyingHighlander
(Post 30365702)
Perhaps if planes had a wait of automatically locking the overhead bins?
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While I am generally not a fan of government over-regulations. I am not opposed to regulations in this regard. The airlines have no real incentive to do it on their own especially with the near monopoly so few airlines have now.
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I don't care so much about a minimum seat pitch, but I think there should be a minimum seat width, as well as a requirement that seats be designed to prevent people from spilling over into their neighbor's seat.
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Overdue
I have a Masters of Laws in International Aviation and Outer Space law and considered this issue for my research project.
- Do you favor regulation of seat pitch on domestic airline routes? I strongly favor it on both domestic and international airline routes for a variety of reasons. First and foremost, safety - as obesity continues to be an issue and the US domestic population ages wider seat widths and minimum pitches are necessary in order to maintain FAA and ICAO evacuation standards. Secondly, the average American waist for a man is 38-40. The average shoulder width is 18.25. Seats should be built to slightly larger than average for all passengers comfort. Ever sat three abreast with three large men? - Any government regulation causes distortions; incentives to find work arounds. How might such a regulation be imposed to create the least amount of distortions? Minimum seat width, pitch and aisle width should be considered not only by the FAA but in conjunction with manufacturers. Maybe the 737 replacement needs to be an extra 10-14 inches in diameter. That's something that both government and industry needs to work together to come to agreement on. Back when I worked for Congress a Member told me "Government is for setting a floor of minimum conditions." If manufacturers or airlines want to innovate they have to do so above the minimum thresholds set for safety AND comfort. We regulate trains, cars, buses, pipelines...there's no reason we shouldn't be regulating airline seats. - If a "minimum" were legislated, what should it be? At LEAST 19 width and 31 or 32 pitch. I haven't done the science analysis on height/leg length but in terms of safety of evacuation, pitch should be wide enough for an adult to stand, turn and walk safely into the aisle without the sideways shuffle of holding on to the seats in front. |
There are several comments on here about consumers being able to choose ULCC and how consumers are the ones to blame for buying those tickets... but sometimes corporate travel policies specify "cheapest possible airfare", which sticks the traveler with no option. I'm not inclined to blame that traveler.
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I don't think that the "free market" can influence seat pitch (nor a lot of other things either). There will always be more comfortable seats available at a premium price. There will always be some willing to pay more for a more comfortable seat, and the airlines can adjust how many more comfortable seats are available for sale. If you're a business traveler, you have to fly, and your job allows you to get a more comfortable seat, you're the part of the free market that the airlines love. There are some, however - the US Government for one - who have a policy that says that if you fly, you have to fly for the lowest price. And if you don't like the seats, you can get a job where you don't need to travel by air.
I'm not a large person, so I haven't yet had a knee room problem, but I do get uncomfortable when the person sitting in front of me leans his seat all the way back and it's practically in my face. Would that person not want to fly if he could only recline a few degrees? Has there been any real research in that area? On the other hand, as an old retired guy who doesn't have someone else paying my air fares, I'm really happy that flying is cheaper for me than it ever has. Back in the 1970s, a round trip coach fare between IAD and LAX, when there was a good sale, was around $300. Just last week I booked that round trip for $300 (United one way and Alaska the other, chosen on the basis of departure time available at the lowest fare), and that included paying an extra $30 to be able to pre-select my seat on the United flight - Alaska still lets you choose your seat at no additional cost if you book far enough in advance. So, I'll put up with the inconveniences and pack along a bagel. I only wish that $&*!@ in front of me didn't think he was in a La-Z-Boy. |
I know I am just dreaming here, but it would be nice if seat width were addressed along with seat pitch.
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Originally Posted by Mike Rivers
(Post 30372337)
...but I do get uncomfortable when the person sitting in front of me leans his seat all the way back and it's practically in my face...
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I agree 100%. The seat pitch should be doubled. The flyers should give their input not the government.
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Require the post recline pitch to be 31" ?
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34" minimum in economy sounds about right to me :)
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