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wco81 Aug 19, 2018 8:58 am

Overhead cabin theft?
 
Anyone witness it?

https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea...-the-overhead/

How would a thief board a flight without a boarding pass and walk off with something before the plane pushed off?

Is it possible to do this in Asian airports?

mauve Aug 19, 2018 9:21 am


Originally Posted by wco81 (Post 30100920)

How would a thief board a flight without a boarding pass and walk off with something before the plane pushed off?

Sounds like the thief in the article you linked was a ticketed passenger. That could happen on any airline, and assuming you ever sleep or use the toilet, little you could do to stop it.

The take away for me is to keep anything valuable on my person.

liverpoolfc Aug 19, 2018 12:11 pm

I haven't seen it in person, but in the TV series about DXB it happened on a flight, I believe as everyone was sleeping. If I remember, a fellow passenger alerted the person being robbed and it was reported to airport security.

invisible Aug 19, 2018 1:06 pm

I live in Singapore. Theft from overhead bins is underreported, but quite common occurrence on local regional routes - mainly between Indonesia/Malaysia and Vietnam/Hong Kong/China/Korea. This is due to the fact that a lot of people travel with large amount of cash. There are criminal syndicates operating/specializing on such activities.

FlyingUnderTheRadar Aug 19, 2018 1:27 pm

I think the article writer is silly calling the theft a scam. There is no deception, it is theft plan and simple. That said, I trust no PAX on a flight (Not even my spouse, she will steal my blanket).

wco81 Aug 19, 2018 1:37 pm

Carrying a lot of cash is just asking for it.

Forget theft on planes. What about straight up muggings?

invisible Aug 19, 2018 5:48 pm


Originally Posted by wco81 (Post 30102003)
Carrying a lot of cash is just asking for it.

Is is cultural phenomenon and not limited to developing countries. Average person in Japan/Korea carries several hundred/thousands equivalent of the USD in their pocket/purses/wallets.

Scots_Al Aug 20, 2018 12:18 am

Germany is traditionally a cash-orientated society too - hence the existence of very large denomination € notes.

wco81 Aug 20, 2018 12:26 am

It's very easy to use credit cards, even from mobile wallets using NFC terminals at all the stores in HK and Singapore.

So if Asians are using cash, who's using the cards that the merchants bother to get the latest NFC terminals?

Anyways, this is FT so Americans are not only hooked on credit cards but getting rewards for using them.

Guess that must not be a thing outside the US.

It must be a ostentation thing too. Besides jewelry, it's a sign of success to pull out a roll of bills.

Annalisa12 Aug 20, 2018 1:00 am

How many people go to the bathroom and leave their bags and handbags unattended under the seat in front or in an overhead locker and don't think anything of it. However, in other situations on the ground they wouldn't dare leave their belongings.

invisible Aug 20, 2018 2:07 am


Originally Posted by wco81 (Post 30103862)
So if Asians are using cash, who's using the cards that the merchants bother to get the latest NFC terminals?

Singapore and HK has quite highly developed mile chasers market, which extends to the geric population. Inside Singapore/HK people in general do not carry 100s of thousands $ with them (however I have to mention here that I witnessed three times how 70+ old gentlemen or auntie walked into bank and produced from briefcase/handbag stacks of $1000 bills wrapped into newspaper). It is when you leave Singapore/HK and go to less developed places you need to carry cash.

Secondly, while credit cards/ATMs do offer convenience, consumer protection when there is a fraud is quite limited comparing to US. Couple of examples:

- This happened in Singapore: a guy lost his credit card (or was stolen), here did not release for a week. These who got hands on his card took it outside of Singapore and charged $4000 on it. Bank said that because he did not notify them immediately and 'there is no proof that he did not initiate these charges' (SIC!) he is liable for charges.

- Personal example from last November: my Singapore issued local credit card was hit with >$8000 fraudulent transactions in USD and VND - somebody was purchasing facebook credits. I never used the card in Vietnam or at shady online places. I got notified when several of these charges alerted me via SMS. But not all these charges even got SMS notification - there were 16 total, while I received notification about four. I immediately called the bank - was on my way home to office - and asked to block the card and revert charges. Yet, to have all these charges removed I had to file a police report and present that police report to the bank.

Note that bank's systems did not detect, question or block suspicious transaction like it would happen with Chase or other banks in US. Maximum I got - I was notified about these charges. And why would I who never within last 5 years of using this card used it in Vietnam, or buy anything of FB, would decide suddenly to run 16 charges with >$8000, seems bank's IT's fraud detection department did not even bother to ask...

Certain countries/places in the region are very high risk for credit/ATM related fraud - for example there is a warning here locally to limit usage of plastic for the whole Vietnam and don't use it at Kuta, Bali - on TripAdvisor forms it is regularly reported how cards are skimmed and accounts emptied.

So you get an idea - cultural traditions combined with lack of consumer protection is what makes people carry thousands of $ with them. BTW, if you observe at an US airport boarding of flights to Asia, you will notice that number of passengers are stopped by Border Agents before boarding and asked how much cash do they carry with them to find out undeclared sums.

Uncle Nonny Aug 20, 2018 12:24 pm


Originally Posted by Annalisa12 (Post 30103959)
How many people go to the bathroom and leave their bags and handbags unattended under the seat in front or in an overhead locker and don't think anything of it. However, in other situations on the ground they wouldn't dare leave their belongings.

I'd be highly creeped out if someone took all of their carry ons to the lav mid-flight.

OskiBear Aug 20, 2018 1:19 pm

I've heard about this, but have always been generally paranoid so typically lock my rollaboard when it goes up into the overhead. There's usually nothing in it that I'd need during the flight.

I have a small shoulder bag with iPad, phone, passport, credit cards, etc. Usually the wallet/passport are in my pocket during the flight.

There are a few hundred people on the plane, I'd rather not be the easier victim/target.

DragonSoul Aug 21, 2018 2:47 am


Originally Posted by invisible (Post 30101885)
I live in Singapore. Theft from overhead bins is underreported, but quite common occurrence on local regional routes - mainly between Indonesia/Malaysia and Vietnam/Hong Kong/China/Korea. This is due to the fact that a lot of people travel with large amount of cash. There are criminal syndicates operating/specializing on such activities.

This.

Had heard that the gangs are now well-established on long-haul routes ex-Asia too, in part because these tend to be overnight flights (when people are sleeping), but also because Mainland travellers carry large amounts of cash out of China (and not always travelling directly).

chipmaster Aug 21, 2018 9:03 am


Originally Posted by invisible (Post 30101885)
I live in Singapore. Theft from overhead bins is underreported, but quite common occurrence on local regional routes - mainly between Indonesia/Malaysia and Vietnam/Hong Kong/China/Korea. This is due to the fact that a lot of people travel with large amount of cash. There are criminal syndicates operating/specializing on such activities.

For me the solution is simply my carry-on have locks, and they are locked. They won't stopped a determined thief with the right equipment but enough of an inconvenience they'll move to my neighbors bag.

On a recent flight my seat mates were a young Chinese couple, looked like rich spoiled crowd. As I always sit bulkhead nothing much can store in seat or in-infront. As we got ready to land they took down their Gucci bag, the boyfriend pulled out probably a few tens of thousands of dollars and his passport to fill out the forms, counted out what looked like a thousand or two to give to his girl friend and then thru it all back in the overhead, dang....

But sorry not sure how a gang th can make that much after paying for tickets and such, but I guess shorter cheaper flights might be interesting, LOL

Loren Pechtel Aug 21, 2018 11:54 am


Originally Posted by OskiBear (Post 30106499)
I've heard about this, but have always been generally paranoid so typically lock my rollaboard when it goes up into the overhead. There's usually nothing in it that I'd need during the flight.

I have a small shoulder bag with iPad, phone, passport, credit cards, etc. Usually the wallet/passport are in my pocket during the flight.

There are a few hundred people on the plane, I'd rather not be the easier victim/target.

It's not paranoia to lock your carry-ons, especially if it's a long flight you're going to sleep on.

invisible Aug 21, 2018 7:04 pm

Comment from former FA from one of closed FB groups:


When I was flying as a crew, this happened predominantly on our CGK/ICN/CGK (Jakarta /Incheon) routes. There is a syndicate (will not mention nationality) operating on this routes. The M.O. would be there will be someone assigned on each zone including first and business class and they start their work when the lights are out. We would find 5 empty wallets in different lavatories.

Of course it will be very difficult to find out who the culprits are. We check the manifest and we profile these passengers (as much as we would like to avoid it. It has to be done). We also keep vigilance during these period of the flight knowing that they can strike anytime.

I strongly advocate that you keep your valuables under your seats regardless how uncomfortable it can get.

Loren Pechtel Aug 21, 2018 10:06 pm


Originally Posted by invisible (Post 30113006)
Comment from former FA from one of closed FB groups:


One would think that if the airline was serious about dealing with it they could--a statistical analysis should yield the thieves. After all, they have the names of everyone on board. Build a list of every passenger on a flight that had such theft, for each name note what percentage of flights they took that had theft. Sort by that percentage. While it's not proof it tells you exactly who to watch in order to catch them.

Error 601 Aug 24, 2018 11:42 pm

I had a smaller bag stolen from inside my backpack flying from London to Rome it was a nice looking bag but it contained nothing but my freedom baggie, razor, toothbrush and some OTC drugs.

I didn't notice until I was on the train later in the day. I have been putting it under the seat since then.

clubeurope Aug 27, 2018 1:31 pm

SriLankan and Malaysian did announcement on a few flights I took some weeks ago to have passengers keep an eye on their valuables, so I would imagine that this is quite widespread in some areas.

I personally would keep any valuables on myself on in the inside of the foot cubbies in J (making it inaccessible without waking me up) and definitely not on the overhead bins.

wco81 Aug 27, 2018 2:35 pm

Geez I kept my iPhone and iPad plugged into the charger most of the flight, even when I went to the bathroom.

clubeurope Aug 27, 2018 2:48 pm


Originally Posted by wco81 (Post 30136304)
Geez I kept my iPhone and iPad plugged into the charger most of the flight, even when I went to the bathroom.

Whilst keeping electronic devices in sight is good for safety, I would imagine most of these thefts would involve more of the theft of cash and the sort rather than PEDs

wco81 Aug 27, 2018 6:22 pm

Well it wouldn't be easy to wipe those devices anyways, even if they stole them.

clubeurope Aug 28, 2018 12:14 am


Originally Posted by wco81 (Post 30137030)
Well it wouldn't be easy to wipe those devices anyways, even if they stole them.

exactly, and it's relatively easier to prove that it is yours, in comparison to physical cash bills whose ownership practically impossible to prove

wendyg Aug 28, 2018 4:20 am

My guess is that laptops and phones lying out in the open are less targets because the pax in question would notice immediately they were gone and raise trouble. All these thefts are of things that people won't realize are missing until later, when the plane has landed and the perpetrators have safely disappeared into the crowd.

wg

clubeurope Aug 28, 2018 7:05 am

there were much news about incidents happening ex-HKG, prominently of those happened on an EK flight where some jewellery salesmen had his gold stolen or something.

wco81 Aug 28, 2018 10:32 am

If you want to carry small things which are valuable and easy to hide like cash and jewelry, maybe you can't have too much sympathy for the victims.

clubeurope Aug 28, 2018 11:16 am


Originally Posted by wco81 (Post 30139765)
If you want to carry small things which are valuable and easy to hide like cash and jewelry, maybe you can't have too much sympathy for the victims.

really, why not keep it on the person, like inside a pouch with some lanyards attached that you can wear and hide inflight?


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