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longtimereader firstimeposter Dec 11, 17 10:30 am


Originally Posted by rjw242 (Post 29160474)
as I noted above, your knees are only "kicking" the seat if you're deliberately making them do so.

Iím assuming you are short. If Iím in a coach seat and someone reclines their seat my knees are now pressed up against the seat. If I move my legs at all, which is bound to happen since Iím cramped, I will be moving your seat. Sure, moving to get comfortable is deliberate.

Let me guess, you also put both bags in the overhead and fight with the person in the middle over the armrest? They are both there for you to use, right?

rjw242 Dec 11, 17 10:34 am


Originally Posted by longtimereader firstimeposter (Post 29160526)
Iím assuming you are short.

then you didn't actually read the post I was referring to.

Your comfort is your choice. If you want to deliberately make yourself uncomfortable and wallow in aggreived self-pity, that's your prerogative, but don't expect the rest of us to play along.

SpinOn2 Dec 11, 17 10:54 am


Originally Posted by longtimereader firstimeposter (Post 29160526)


I’m assuming you are short. If I’m in a coach seat and someone reclines their seat my knees are now pressed up against the seat. If I move my legs at all, which is bound to happen since I’m cramped, I will be moving your seat. Sure, moving to get comfortable is deliberate.

Let me guess, you also put both bags in the overhead and fight with the person in the middle over the armrest? They are both there for you to use, right?





​​​​​​I'm not buying that, I am 6'4 and it's not that tough to make myself reasonably comfortable, even if the person fully reclines their seat. I have to at least partially recline my own, but otherwise it's not an issue. There is a difference between occasional moves to get comfortable again vs. intentional moving to purposefully stick it to the person in front of you.

I will say I don't necessarily agree with the "Should have bought a better seat" narrative though. Case in point, I was flying OGG-LAX, my flight left very late and instead of then connecting LAX-DFW in a bulkhead PE seat I was able to choose ahead of time, I was rerouted LAX-ORD in an A321 in the back in the window for 4 hours because that's the best seat that was left. You never know the case of the person as to why they have that seat.

JY1024 Dec 11, 17 11:03 am

As this is not an AA-specific topic, let's move this over to TravelBuzz for further discussion. Thanks.

/JY1024, AAdvantage and TravelBuzz co-moderator

kb9522 Dec 11, 17 11:17 am


Originally Posted by State of Trance (Post 29158606)
To be fair, a lot depends on just exactly how tall 26A was. If their legs were truly jammed up against your seat pre-recline, in my opinion your right to recline ends when it begins to cause physical pain to other passenger. That being said, I highly doubt that was the case if he's having room to kick and you did the right thing by involving the FA who resolved it well.

Absolutely not. Seat pitch is very easy to look up. If you choose to fly in a seat that you know will be uncomfortable, that is your own fault.


Originally Posted by ri_us (Post 29160178)
We've been flying on long haul flights with our son since he was 4. He has ADHD. We have come up with 5 strategies to keep him occupied during the longest flights. Every once in a while he used to push the touch screen in the seat back too hard or inadvertently kick the seat in front of him. We quickly (and loudly) admonished him, explained them impact on the person in front of him and required that he apologize to the person in front of him. That both dissuaded him from doing it and inspired understanding from the person in front.

In short, my view is that we parents own this behavior or we don't fly.

It's rare to see parents who actually take responsibility for, well, their responsibility. Thanks for being one of the good guys.


Originally Posted by longtimereader firstimeposter (Post 29160219)
6’3 here and unfortunately if I’m not in MCE or upgradesd you reclining your seat is going to be going into me knees. Every time I move you will feel my knees “kicking” at your back seat and being so uncomfortable, I will have to move a lot. Your 2 inches of minimal reclining comfort will be negated by my constant knee jabs.

Sorry, but reclining is a jerk move. You have unlimited leg room, and also want to recline into the poor guy in a non-MCE seat. Not cool.

That "poor guy" in a non-MCE seat made a choice to be in that seat. Nobody should feel sorry for that person.


Originally Posted by longtimereader firstimeposter (Post 29160526)


I’m assuming you are short. If I’m in a coach seat and someone reclines their seat my knees are now pressed up against the seat. If I move my legs at all, which is bound to happen since I’m cramped, I will be moving your seat. Sure, moving to get comfortable is deliberate.

Let me guess, you also put both bags in the overhead and fight with the person in the middle over the armrest? They are both there for you to use, right?


We're talking about malicious intent here. That seems to be clear to everyone but you.

As for the overhead bins, the instructions are clear: personal item under the seat and larger carry on in the bin. There is no instruction governing seat recline usage, outside of upright for critical phases. Same for the armrest, though most opt to give the middle seat both of them. Again though, the person in the middle seat chose to be in that seat... he could just as easily have paid for a different one.


Originally Posted by longtimereader firstimeposter (Post 29160427)


you also have to be okay with my knees “kicking” your backseat. If you don’t want that, you can buy first, MCE or don’t recline.

Majority of people on your airplane fly once or twice a year, they don’t understand the nuances of seat selection, seat guru or where they are going to end up. Show a little compassion and stop reclining when the seat behind you is non-MCE or you’re not in F.

The nuances of seat selection? It's not some obscure art form... Why didn't the person who is inconvenienced by reclining buy a seat in F if space was so important to them? :rolleyes:

coloneltigh Dec 11, 17 11:18 am


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 29160130)
This was a 320B refurb with the new slimline seats. The appeared to almost swivel recline rather than traditional recline (like the 738's).

The dude kept on staring at my when he moved up to 16D. It was rather odd. Needless to say my senses were heightened when I left he jetway but he wasn't there.

All in all it was a very peculiar day. Before I boarded the flight I went to the bathroom in the terminal. Next to me a guy next was hurling like crazy. Then this nutjob and when I left the plane in DFW and went to the bathroom a second time someone else was hurling like crazy. To top it opp, when I got on the DART train platform some dude came up to me and said "hey can you help me?I"m drunk and i need to get to IHOP". Not wanting to know really anything more about his predicament, i said "No, sorry pal" and boarded. Sure enough he did too and passed out swiftly within 5 minutes.

Sounds like you need to start packing some headbags and Ivory soap in a long tube sock.

cynicAAl Dec 11, 17 12:34 pm


Originally Posted by longtimereader firstimeposter (Post 29160526)
If Iím in a coach seat and someone reclines their seat my knees are now pressed up against the seat. If I move my legs at all, which is bound to happen since Iím cramped, I will be moving your seat. Sure, moving to get comfortable is deliberate.

Knock yourself out with that. I actually like knees in my lumbar for support. I just pretend I'm in a Qantas business class seat with the in-seat massage function turned on.


Originally Posted by longtimereader firstimeposter (Post 29160219)
6í3 here and unfortunately if Iím not in MCE or upgradesd you reclining your seat is going to be going into me knees. Every time I move you will feel my knees ďkickingĒ at your back seat and being so uncomfortable, I will have to move a lot. Your 2 inches of minimal reclining comfort will be negated by my constant knee jabs.

Sorry, but reclining is a jerk move. You have unlimited leg room, and also want to recline into the poor guy in a non-MCE seat. Not cool.

Seats recline. If that bothers you, you should limit your travel to Spirit or Allegiant Airlines.

KDS777 Dec 11, 17 1:36 pm

Never had a seat kicker in my life.

nlkm9 Dec 11, 17 2:06 pm


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 29157836)
Iím currently sitting on 259 back home. Iím in 25A. This is a great seat with no seat in front of me. Back at the gate the guy behind me started likely kicking my seat back. It was annoying. Fast forward 30 minutes later climbing up to cruise I press the recline back to go halfway back. Dude behind me flips. ďĒNO MORE ó DONT RECLINE I CANT FEEL MY LEGS!Ē He then started going to town on the chair. I kid you not. I then hit my boiling point. Take off my headphones, turn around and say ďdude what the hell is your problem? Sorry I have every right to recline.Ē He went off on me to the passenger next to him calling me every name in the book. Immediately I lean forward to the flight attendant seated in the jump seat directly in front of me and tell him whatís going on. He agrees itís totally unacceptable and re-accommodates this man in 16D aisle.

Thoughts? What should I have done differently if anything?

I think you handled it perfectly. i wonder what would happen if he could not be reacoomodated - he sounds like a jerk!

enviroian Dec 11, 17 2:14 pm


Originally Posted by nlkm9 (Post 29161453)
I think you handled it perfectly. i wonder what would happen if he could not be reacoomodated - he sounds like a jerk!

The guy next to him offered to switch places with him but before he could decide the FA offered him another seat. Of course everyone looked at me like I was the arse of the plane, not the other guy. I just re-donned my headphones and continued my munching of my chex mix.

kb9522 Dec 11, 17 3:19 pm


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 29161492)
The guy next to him offered to switch places with him but before he could decide the FA offered him another seat. Of course everyone looked at me like I was the arse of the plane, not the other guy. I just re-donned my headphones and continued my munching of my chex mix.

I don't see why they would stare at you and not the clown behind you... as others have said, you absolutely did the right thing.

Dublin_rfk Dec 11, 17 3:25 pm


Originally Posted by longtimereader firstimeposter (Post 29160219)
Sorry, but reclining is a jerk move. You have unlimited leg room, and also want to recline into the poor guy in a non-MCE seat. Not cool.

Sorry, but reclining a seat is not a jerk move! If it was airlines would not have seats that recline! As for the poor guy (redacted) in a non-MCE seat he did purchase it without a gun to his head.

Dublin_rfk Dec 11, 17 3:32 pm

I've had the occasional seat kicker. Most have been single digit aged. A few have not been. I have found it very fruitful to ring for the FA and in a loud voice ask if they could find the 'kicker's' mother.
But then again I have been called an A**hole on a good day.

DutchessPDX Dec 11, 17 4:04 pm

If people have an issue or reason for the passenger in the seat in front of you to NOT recline why is it people can't act like an adult and just ask politely? I've had people ask me to not recline in economy for various reasons, and I usually just say no problem and either sit up or just not recline all the way. Occasionally there's a jerk like the lady who pounded on my seatback when I started to recline. Rather than yelling, I just told her that banging my seat was unacceptable and childish and had she asked I would have gladly put it back up but not after her outburst. I also had a guy sitting behind me forcibly try and prevent my seat from reclining, may have been using his knees or bracing it with his arms or something, but sorry dude, you didn't win that one either. Just as nicely, instead you're going to get a chair in your lap the entire ride.

PTravel Dec 11, 17 4:07 pm


Originally Posted by longtimereader firstimeposter (Post 29160219)
6í3 here and unfortunately if Iím not in MCE or upgradesd you reclining your seat is going to be going into me knees. Every time I move you will feel my knees ďkickingĒ at your back seat and being so uncomfortable, I will have to move a lot. Your 2 inches of minimal reclining comfort will be negated by my constant knee jabs.

Sorry, but reclining is a jerk move. You have unlimited leg room, and also want to recline into the poor guy in a non-MCE seat. Not cool.

Sorry, but if you can't fit in the seat then you need to make other arrangements -- flight in bulkhead, fly in an emergency row or fly in first class on an airline that offers it. Your special need does not justify imposing on strangers. I'm curious: would you object if a COS spread into half your seat, or would you consider it a "jerk move" that the COS didn't make other arrangements to accommodate HIS special need.


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