Originally Posted by Bakpapier (Post 27386398)

People can ask me for my WIFI password and I will provide it to them free of charge for them to use when they pass my apartment if they want. However I do not live in the centre of the city so odds of passing my appartment unless you need to be there are very very slim.

Originally Posted by Bakpapier (Post 27388596)

Anyone can use my wifi if they ask my password.

I never asked for completely open wifi at airports without any form of logging in or passwords. All I ask for is free wifi. And in fact I prefer if it is secured by some sort of log-in as most open wifi networks are.

Originally Posted by redheadtempe33 (Post 27388847)

It is unethical, but I can absolutely say this works (or at least used to). I used to work for an airline, and a card with a genuine Visa/MC/Amex number (even pre-paid with $0.00 balance or an HSA or FSA card) will work because the auths aren't in real time. They work for inflight purchases too (food/alcohol). I don't know if this is still the case, but they did work in the past. I know some airlines don't take gift cards for this specific reason (and yes, the system can tell the difference), but pre-paid cards worked. I would imagine it didn't work for inflight internet because of the real time nature of the CC auth.

At least for the airline I worked for, they asked the FA's to look out for it for in-flight purchases (FSA cards are usually labeled as such), but ... only so much you can do.

Originally Posted by Bakpapier (Post 27379069)

Except that the people who are offering the internet for sale do not 'own' the internet. You can't sell something that you don't own (that you in fact cannot own).


Maybe because we have many, many more passenger train stations than there are in America, and far superior train service for passengers, and often for lower fares than in America (partly state-subsidized).

Originally Posted by ryanbryan (Post 27402693)

If you have "many, many more passenger train stations" then you should have more than enough money derived from the services provided to those stations to provide free restrooms at them :D

Originally Posted by ryanbryan (Post 27402693)

If you have "many, many more passenger train stations" then you should have more than enough money derived from the services provided to those stations to provide free restrooms at them :D

Originally Posted by Bakpapier (Post 27403254)

Sigh, Americans.... So exhausting.

The money you save on train tickets in europe (vs the US) is way more than the 50 cents it costs to use the restroom at major train stations. And there are free toilets available in the trains themselves.

Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 27403269)

So if it's a cheap train, it's OK to charge money for a basic human right - the right to use the bathroom; but it's never acceptable to charge for WiFi, so much so that we should actively ways to game the system in order to steal internet access? Am I understanding this correctly?

Originally Posted by DavidVenuto (Post 27406064)

They now offer tools that block the passenger infront from reclining his seat also.

Originally Posted by Bakpapier (Post 27403562)

No you are not understanding this correctly because you are not reading what I am saying.

You can use the toilet free of charge in the train, if you don't want to pay 50 cents to use the toilet at the train station.

Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 27411084)

The toilet on the train is nowhere near the quality of those in the station AND is only accessible to someone riding the train. Someone not riding the train (say an arriving passenger) is stuck, no different than an arriving flight passenger is "stuck" without WiFi

Originally Posted by Bakpapier (Post 27411197)

I really dont know what yoru deal is with the toilets in a thread that is not about toilets.

An 'arriving' passenger will be arriving from, you know what? A train. With a toilet.

If you want a very clean premium toilet as opposed to the filthy train toilets then I think 50 cents is a very reasonable price to pay for that. If you cannot pay those 50 cents for some reason then you can use the filthy train toilets.

Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 27411235)

I don't have any "deal" with toilets. It just seems strange that you have no problem making someone pay for a toilet but seem ti think it's acceptable to steal WiFi

Originally Posted by Bakpapier (Post 27411264)

And it seems strange that you are unable to read my posts.

At train stations, you can use the toilet in the train for free.