Why do people insist on standing before boarding even starts
#61
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I used to never stand before boarding, but I do now.
Regardless of cabin (F, J, or Y), I've found that if I'm late, all those gathered around will swarm in once their turn is called. Naturally, even in F (let alone Y), the FA will not save bin space and I run into potential seat poachers/swappers. Of course, they say with F/Priority, one can cut the line if you're late, but I find this impractical. I'm not crazy about forcing my way through crowds and overt line cutting (except in Vegas where staff makes it very clear VIP/Members first and everyone accepts it).
I'd much rather board last, especially when on F. But, FA never saves bin space (will surely run out) and odds of seat poachers/swappers increase. So, if others are like me, in this day and age, we're all forced to stand up and crowd the boarding area.
There's got to be a better way, but it's lost on me.
Regardless of cabin (F, J, or Y), I've found that if I'm late, all those gathered around will swarm in once their turn is called. Naturally, even in F (let alone Y), the FA will not save bin space and I run into potential seat poachers/swappers. Of course, they say with F/Priority, one can cut the line if you're late, but I find this impractical. I'm not crazy about forcing my way through crowds and overt line cutting (except in Vegas where staff makes it very clear VIP/Members first and everyone accepts it).
I'd much rather board last, especially when on F. But, FA never saves bin space (will surely run out) and odds of seat poachers/swappers increase. So, if others are like me, in this day and age, we're all forced to stand up and crowd the boarding area.
There's got to be a better way, but it's lost on me.
#63
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The airlines could solve these problems. One method: tensabarrier queues, like in Europe, with Gate Agents validating that people in their respective queues are in fact in that zone.
Another method, boarding from the rear door -- but with the same boarding order as now. The premium cabins and elites would walk through an empty plane with plentiful overhead bin space. It would also probably speed up the boarding process. Of course, you couldn't do this with jetways. It would need to be via stairs.
Mid-cabin boarding on larger planes accomplishes these goals also.
Another method, boarding from the rear door -- but with the same boarding order as now. The premium cabins and elites would walk through an empty plane with plentiful overhead bin space. It would also probably speed up the boarding process. Of course, you couldn't do this with jetways. It would need to be via stairs.
Mid-cabin boarding on larger planes accomplishes these goals also.
#64
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The airlines could solve these problems. One method: tensabarrier queues, like in Europe, with Gate Agents validating that people in their respective queues are in fact in that zone.
Another method, boarding from the rear door -- but with the same boarding order as now. The premium cabins and elites would walk through an empty plane with plentiful overhead bin space.
Another method, boarding from the rear door -- but with the same boarding order as now. The premium cabins and elites would walk through an empty plane with plentiful overhead bin space.
It would also probably speed up the boarding process. Of course, you couldn't do this with jetways. It would need to be via stairs.
Mid-cabin boarding on larger planes accomplishes these goals also.
Mid-cabin boarding on larger planes accomplishes these goals also.
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#66
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Minus the seat-numbering/allocation this would be an excellent idea though.
#67
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A subdivision could be made that accommodates one division per seat on the plane. This may indeed necessitate smaller carryons but I just don't see that as a huge problem. People can just check the kitchen sink when they take it with them.
#68
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On a non-spacebin plane, that would result in most people's laptops not fitting into overhead bins (they won't fit vertically as it is, and you've just stopped them from fitting horizontally). That is sure to be fun for everyone involved.
#69
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When I fly, I am generally carrying expensive camera gear, which absolutely has to be stowed in an overhead compartment- because the airlines will not accept full liability for it if it goes missing or is damaged after going into the baggage hold. Since the airlines do not provide enough overhead capacity to nearly guarantee I will have access to an overhead bin if I board late, I will aggressively try to be at the front of whatever boarding group I am in.
Until I can stow valuable and fragile gear as checked bags with virtual certainty that I will get all of my gear back in fully working order after the flight, I will continue to try my damnedest to be at the front of my boarding group.
Until I can stow valuable and fragile gear as checked bags with virtual certainty that I will get all of my gear back in fully working order after the flight, I will continue to try my damnedest to be at the front of my boarding group.
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When I fly, I am generally carrying expensive camera gear, which absolutely has to be stowed in an overhead compartment- because the airlines will not accept full liability for it if it goes missing or is damaged after going into the baggage hold. Since the airlines do not provide enough overhead capacity to nearly guarantee I will have access to an overhead bin if I board late, I will aggressively try to be at the front of whatever boarding group I am in.
Until I can stow valuable and fragile gear as checked bags with virtual certainty that I will get all of my gear back in fully working order after the flight, I will continue to try my damnedest to be at the front of my boarding group.
Until I can stow valuable and fragile gear as checked bags with virtual certainty that I will get all of my gear back in fully working order after the flight, I will continue to try my damnedest to be at the front of my boarding group.
Note that US airlines tend to set a limit even to excess valuation, e.g. $5000 which is likely to be nowhere close to the value of professional photographic equipment. I don't know if that means they'd refuse checking it, or would limit their liability to that amount. (Looking at austrian airlines I noticed that they only allow excess valuations up to 48 hours in advanced, I haven't done a more general sample of airlines worldwide.)
#71
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As practiced by Norwegian on their short-haul services in Scandinavia. They use the jetway up to Row X, direct rear seats passengers down the jetway stairs to the apron and back up through stairs to the plane's rear door
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A thread on the camera issue and the real concerns about checking the good stuff:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...ct-damage.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...ct-damage.html