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Jeffrey Robert Aug 6, 2016 11:50 am

Airplane/Airline Code Lingo.. Why??
 
A class F ticket C ticket?????? Why does it exist where do you learn it?
Isnt there just First Class/Buss Class/Coach

Then yes you can further break it down window seat, aisle seat, middle seat. Or Coach +, Economy Comfort (whatever depends on the airline what they call it).

Why the letters?

rickg523 Aug 6, 2016 11:59 am

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Robert (Post 27024841)
A class F ticket C ticket?????? Why does it exist where do you learn it?
Isnt there just First Class/Buss Class/Coach

Then yes you can further break it down window seat, aisle seat, middle seat. Or Coach +, Economy Comfort (whatever depends on the airline what they call it).

Why the letters?

Why different airlines use DIFFERENT letters is a Corporate thing. Sort of like Tall, Grande, and Vente standing in for Regular, Medium and Large at Starbucks.
But.... actually in each of those cabins there's maybe half a dozen fare classes. Those are denoted by letters. Read along on FT for a while and you'll learn just how different J is from Z, though both are Business Class.
It would be nice if fare class designators were standardized across airlines, but that would be a complete anomaly in the world of airline pricing.

PAX_fips Aug 6, 2016 12:00 pm

I think you're looking for this?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/16909-post3.html

abmj-jr Aug 6, 2016 1:58 pm

It is just "insider lingo." Because the airlines use single letter computer codes to identify different classes, it makes knowledgeable customers feel like insiders to use them as well. It can also be argued that using the correct codes represents precision over using general terms.

You might be interested to know that there are not simply one first class, one business class and one economy class codes. There are codes for fully refundable seats in each class, different codes for partially refundable, non-refundable, deeply discounted and so on. That is where all the different codes come from.

Box10 Aug 6, 2016 7:42 pm

Also final destination means the ticketed airport that is not a connection.
In real life, final destination means the cemetery.

CDTraveler Aug 6, 2016 8:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Robert (Post 27024841)
A class F ticket C ticket?????? Why does it exist where do you learn it?
Isnt there just First Class/Buss Class/Coach

Then yes you can further break it down window seat, aisle seat, middle seat. Or Coach +, Economy Comfort (whatever depends on the airline what they call it).

Why the letters?

As to the why of the codes: are you old enough to remember multi copy paper tickets? The kind that had to come out of a special printer, and you'd tear out a coupon for each flight leg?

They had to cram a whole lot information on a form about 3" by 7" and putting a single code letter in a box made more sense than typing out "coach class", "14 day advance purchase fare" and whatever other details were needed for their system. Once you learn the codes it's easy to read the ticketing info. There's lots of resources here on FT to help you learn the codes.

Annalisa12 Aug 6, 2016 8:45 pm

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Originally Posted by rickg523 (Post 27024881)
Why different airlines use DIFFERENT letters is a Corporate thing. Sort of like Tall, Grande, and Vente standing in for Regular, Medium and Large at Starbucks.
But.... actually in each of those cabins there's maybe half a dozen fare classes. Those are denoted by letters. Read along on FT for a while and you'll learn just how different J is from Z, though both are Business Class.
It would be nice if fare class designators were standardized across airlines, but that would be a complete anomaly in the world of airline pricing.

A friend of mine learnt about the different fare classes the hard way. I kept telling him to book NOW for a trip to Disneyland for 4 people in September. Of course he didn't. He kept telling me about their Virgin tickets for AUD$1200. When he looked at them late July the only seats available were AUD$1700.

Efrem Aug 7, 2016 5:42 am

Let's be honest. At least 75%* of the airline/fare/airport code usage in FT posts is because people want to show off that they're in the in-group that knows about this kind of thing.

It makes a certain amount of sense to write "UA" because it's shorter than "United Airlines" and is fairly easy to understand. "DL" for "Delta" doesn't save much typing, though, and "B6" for "JetBlue" is totally inscrutable for the uninitiated**.

It can be absurd with city codes, though. Some people ask, for example, "What is there to do in LAX?" People reply, some of them suggesting the poster watch airplanes and others saying "Not much." The poster really wanted to know what there is to do in Los Angeles, but had to show off that he**** knows the code for its main airport.

_______________________
*Or not. Pick a number. The point is the same.
** Canada's Helijet International already had the JB code when JetBlue began. Don't ask me why. Nobody has HI today. Maybe someone did back in the day.
***Los Angeles International Airport.
****Or she, but usually he.

Loren Pechtel Aug 8, 2016 11:14 am

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Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 27026415)
As to the why of the codes: are you old enough to remember multi copy paper tickets? The kind that had to come out of a special printer, and you'd tear out a coupon for each flight leg?

They had to cram a whole lot information on a form about 3" by 7" and putting a single code letter in a box made more sense than typing out "coach class", "14 day advance purchase fare" and whatever other details were needed for their system. Once you learn the codes it's easy to read the ticketing info. There's lots of resources here on FT to help you learn the codes.

This. Data space used to be critical and the codes are designed for that era.

roberino Aug 8, 2016 3:37 pm

People abbreviate all sorts of things and it falls into everyday use. Fridge, car, TV, phone, bra, plane and so on. It's human nature to save ourselves effort, even if the increment is minuscule.

dinanm3atl Aug 8, 2016 4:07 pm

To seem cool, obviously.

gfunkdave Aug 8, 2016 4:16 pm

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Originally Posted by abmj-jr (Post 27025356)
It is just "insider lingo." Because the airlines use single letter computer codes to identify different classes, it makes knowledgeable customers feel like insiders to use them as well.

That may be so, but it's also easier to type. :)

deniah Aug 8, 2016 5:12 pm

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Originally Posted by roberino (Post 27034717)
People abbreviate all sorts of things and it falls into everyday use. Fridge, car, TV, phone, bra, plane and so on. It's human nature to save ourselves effort, even if the increment is minuscule.

qft

rickg523 Aug 8, 2016 5:55 pm

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Originally Posted by roberino (Post 27034717)
People abbreviate all sorts of things and it falls into everyday use. Fridge, car, TV, phone, bra, plane and so on. It's human nature to save ourselves effort, even if the increment is minuscule.

This is why for a decade people used to SAY "double you double you double you" instead of "World Wide Web." Because it's three times as long😏

roberino Aug 9, 2016 1:01 am

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Originally Posted by deniah (Post 27035196)
qft

Lol

SwissBritMiss Aug 9, 2016 1:42 am

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Originally Posted by Efrem (Post 27027449)
It can be absurd with city codes, though. Some people ask, for example, "What is there to do in LAX?" People reply, some of them suggesting the poster watch airplanes and others saying "Not much." The poster really wanted to know what there is to do in Los Angeles, but had to show off that he**** knows the code for its main airport.

Hmm. At least on FT, if I see an airport code, I assume people are actually asking about how to spend time at an airport during a layover. Of course, context is everything - and politely asking for clarification is a better way to go than snark :)

trooper Aug 9, 2016 4:38 am

Yeah... terrible... like all those cool kids who write "Los Angeles" instead of "El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Angeles del Rio de Porciuncula":D:D:D

Palal Aug 9, 2016 4:57 am

OP - welcome to FT!

If you end up spending hours reading this forum, the abbreviations become second nature and you don't notice them until you start talking to non-FTers who don't know what you're talking about. :) It's short-hand and makes things more readable.

I can say
Quote:

I was ticketed to fly in the cheapest economy from San Francisco to Washington, continuing on to London, on United, and the plane had a mechanical problem and after talking to a gate agent they agreed to put me on the non-stop flight to London and was given an upgrade to business class because they were oversold in economy.
Or I can say
Quote:

I was supposed to fly UA (K class) SFO-IAD-LHR, but the flight went mx, and I was re-routed on UA SFO-LHR and op-up'ed to C.
Code:

cheapest economy = K class
San Francisco to Washington, continuing on to London, on United = SFO-IAD-LHR
the plane had a mechanical problem and after talking to a gate agent they agreed to put me on the non-stop flight to London = the flight went mx and I was re-routed on UA SFO-LHR
was given an upgrade to business class because they were oversold in economy = op-up'ed to C

The second version is much more readable, and saves a lot of time when reading :). Hope you stick around and find this forum as useful as I have over the years.

Enjoy!

abmj-jr Aug 9, 2016 5:17 am

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Originally Posted by trooper (Post 27037115)
Yeah... terrible... like all those cool kids who write "Los Angeles" instead of "El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Angeles del Rio de Porciuncula":D:D:D

Yeah, except that is no longer the correct name. 250 years ago yes but not now. Just as NYC is no longer correctly called New Amsterdam. Using those archaic names would be very confusing for everyone involved.

I know you were being funny but the discussion here about "visiting LAX for a week" is actually germane. Even if the "shorter and easier to type" argument is applied, LA is shorter than LAX, SF is shorter than SFO. And both are certainly more accurate. ;)

The point is that while everyone would know at a glance that LAX is code for LA International, not everyone would know without looking it up that FUK is Fukuoka, FAT is Fresno-Yosemite International and so on. Or that A and Z might refer to first class along with the more common F. Or that C and J both mean business class, depending on airline, when you might expect it to be B, which actually means something else.

Everyone gets used to lingo and codes over time. I used to be in law enforcement and we had a mind boggling number of codes. For newer users it can be pretty confusing. On FT, simply saying "biz" or "first" instead of J or F might not sound as well informed but would be easier for newcomers to decipher. Around here we use the clan argot and get very comfortable with it but I understand the confusion among less experienced users.

Palal Aug 9, 2016 6:22 am

Oh and we have a glossary

Annalisa12 Aug 9, 2016 6:38 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by trooper (Post 27037115)
Yeah... terrible... like all those cool kids who write "Los Angeles" instead of "El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Angeles del Rio de Porciuncula":D:D:D

I am not cool. I am forever looking up IAH and AUH..

ft101 Aug 9, 2016 2:52 pm

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Originally Posted by abmj-jr (Post 27037196)
The point is that while everyone would know at a glance that LAX is code for LA International . . . .

No, "most" people think see LAS or LOS as Los Angeles. Apart from FT and similar nerdy sites, no-one would think Los Angeles would have an "X" in it.

We just become used to it and fall into the trap of thinking it's normal.

Loren Pechtel Aug 9, 2016 9:37 pm

Something to keep in mind here:

We have a whole bunch of airlines using the old compact codes. You can't unilaterally shift to the new codes if you are going to communicate with other airlines--everyone with interline agreements would have to change at the same time. That's a big, big undertaking--it's not likely to happen for a long time to come.

trooper Aug 10, 2016 4:39 am

EVERY field has its own jargon.....

Think of not just your professional field...but your SPORTS too....

If you can stop using all those "dialects"..then I'll stop using the shorthand of Airport codes...lol


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