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JamilD Mar 21, 2016 7:37 pm

Boom: The Fastest Passenger Airplane Ever
 
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NEW INFO: The Virgin Group has signed a letter of intent to buy 10 aircraft once they're built, along with providing support in the manufacturing, test, and design of the aircraft.

Looks like some startup is trying to build a supersonic passenger aircraft. They're backed by YCombinator, the most prominent Silicon Valley incubator/VC firm, but I really doubt this will get off the ground. Test flights apparently start next year. Their team includes people from Pratt & Whitney, NASA, Gulfstream, Icon, Boeing, Virgin Galactic, etc, so that inspires some faith.


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shuigao Mar 21, 2016 8:48 pm

Wonder what the demand will be.

The vast majority of the travelling populace (who will gladly choose a 3 leg flight with 20 hour stopovers if it was 10% cheaper) obviously isn't their target market.

So I guess ... business travelers? I can't imagine my company paying double the price just to get me at the destination a few hours earlier.

whimike Mar 21, 2016 10:47 pm

Boom: The Fastest Passenger Airplane Ever
 
Looks like Concorde.

Doc Savage Mar 21, 2016 10:54 pm


Originally Posted by whimike (Post 26367733)
Looks like Concorde.

Convergent evolution.

Physics dictates form.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...l#post26365265

mickeydfly13 Mar 22, 2016 12:42 am


Originally Posted by shuigao (Post 26367323)
Wonder what the demand will be.

The vast majority of the travelling populace (who will gladly choose a 3 leg flight with 20 hour stopovers if it was 10% cheaper) obviously isn't their target market.

So I guess ... business travelers? I can't imagine my company paying double the price just to get me at the destination a few hours earlier.

Maybe not your company, but for many, time is money and it's a no brainier to get where you're going to as quickly as possible.

HelloKittysMum Mar 22, 2016 4:08 am


Originally Posted by mickeydfly13 (Post 26367949)

Originally Posted by shuigao (Post 26367323)
Wonder what the demand will be.

The vast majority of the travelling populace (who will gladly choose a 3 leg flight with 20 hour stopovers if it was 10% cheaper) obviously isn't their target market.

So I guess ... business travelers? I can't imagine my company paying double the price just to get me at the destination a few hours earlier.

Maybe not your company, but for many, time is money and it's a no brainier to get where you're going to as quickly as possible.

Assumes that you want to go where they fly. Fine for New York to London but I frequently fly from Manchester to various cities in SE Africa, S and SE Asia so irrelevant to me (and many other business travellers)

Efrem Mar 22, 2016 6:11 am


Originally Posted by shuigao (Post 26367323)
Wonder what the demand will be.

The vast majority of the travelling populace (who will gladly choose a 3 leg flight with 20 hour stopovers if it was 10% cheaper) obviously isn't their target market.

So I guess ... business travelers? I can't imagine my company paying double the price just to get me at the destination a few hours earlier.

Maybe your company won't (mine didn't), but lots of companies pay for business class travel when you cross an ocean or are in the air for long enough. They may have to rewrite their policies if they're now based on flight duration, but there's definitely a market at the J price point.

CPRich Mar 22, 2016 8:04 am


Originally Posted by mickeydfly13 (Post 26367949)
Maybe not your company, but for many, time is money and it's a no brainier to get where you're going to as quickly as possible.

I would say some, not many, and I'd be surprised if it's enough to keep a regularly scheduled flight in business. The CEO of a F500 company, and maybe 2 levels down, would pay to get somewhere a few hours early. This time savings only accrues for 10+ hour flights. Rough math says that's <1000 passengers/day, all likely going to different places. Even if they converge on one hub, that's single-digit demand for the aircraft, nowhere near enough to spread the development costs.

Unless they someone engineer/build this thing at an order-of-magnitude cost lower than traditional aircraft, I don't see a business case for it.

Proudelitist Mar 22, 2016 8:15 am


Originally Posted by JamilD (Post 26367024)
Looks like some startup is trying to build a supersonic passenger aircraft. They're backed by YCombinator, the most prominent Silicon Valley incubator/VC firm, but I really doubt this will get off the ground. Test flights apparently start next year. Their team includes people from Pratt & Whitney, NASA, Gulfstream, Icon, Boeing, Virgin Galactic, etc, so that inspires some faith.


It's risky, because the revenue model of airlines is based around volume, not speed. It used to be about speed, but now it's about butts in seats. This is why we are on airbus A320s instead of 727s.

I am sure the plane will fly, but let's look at why concorde failed..aside from the gas consumption, it was priced out of market and still had razor thin margins considering the operating costs.

To make supersonic pax travel work, you need a plane that can still take 230 people, uses less fuel, and has a simple training curve for the crew.

JamilD Mar 22, 2016 9:00 am


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 26369315)
Unless they someone engineer/build this thing at an order-of-magnitude cost lower than traditional aircraft, I don't see a business case for it.

I think this is their goal. There's an impression in Silicon Valley that anything done by a non-tech company is grossly inefficient, and that anything done by a tech company can be done at a fraction of the cost.

A lot of the time, they're right. I don't know about building an aircraft though.

invisible Mar 22, 2016 11:08 am


Originally Posted by JamilD (Post 26369608)
anything done by a tech company can be done at a fraction of the cost.

ooh, yaah. Remember how company I worked 10 years ago invested in one project $150m which subsequently was sold to another company for $3m.

KoKoBuddy Mar 22, 2016 3:35 pm


Originally Posted by shuigao (Post 26367323)
Wonder what the demand will be.

The vast majority of the travelling populace (who will gladly choose a 3 leg flight with 20 hour stopovers if it was 10% cheaper) obviously isn't their target market.

So I guess ... business travelers? I can't imagine my company paying double the price just to get me at the destination a few hours earlier.

Heh. My company was mad at me because I told them my flight would cost "around $700" and it ended up being $760. So the probability of them paying for this type of flight is significantly less than 0 :)

CPRich Mar 22, 2016 4:44 pm


Originally Posted by JamilD (Post 26369608)
There's an impression in Silicon Valley that anything done by a non-tech company is grossly inefficient, and that anything done by a tech company can be done at a fraction of the cost.

I guess if a transcontinental, semi-vacuum, linear magnetic transportation system can be done be a few tech company interns, supersonic aircraft isn't a big deal...

JamilD Mar 23, 2016 3:15 pm

The Virgin Group has signed a letter of intent to buy 10 aircraft once they're built, along with providing support in the manufacturing and design of the aircraft.

standard Mar 23, 2016 5:49 pm

What was the fastest passenger plane?

My guess is the BAC/Sud (BAe/Aerospatiale) Concorde and the Tupelov Tu-144.

Behind that was the Convair 880 and 990, as well as the Boeing 747. Is that right?


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