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Sixth Freedom Jan 3, 2016 2:10 pm


Originally Posted by Worcester (Post 25954490)
I am guessing that this may have (briefly) be posted in the BA forum and been moved.

Those BA forum Mods have lightning-fast reaction times! :D

Efrem Jan 3, 2016 6:38 pm


Originally Posted by BOH (Post 25955135)
This is a very well known aerodynamic effect and one that Concorde wing designers perfected and harnessed to be able to land so smoothly at high speeds. All achieved long before complex computer modelling allowed wing shapes to be perfected like today.

Indeed. I did a term paper on a wind tunnel study of ground effect as a junior aero engineering student in 1962. It was well known at the time, both as theory and in practice; my project was hardly cutting-edge research.

Sixth Freedom Feb 16, 2018 11:02 am

On my flight to Barcelona last Sunday I actually felt the butterfly effect. It was awesome, like a jump in my tummy. So resurrecting the old thread... :)

LarryJ Feb 16, 2018 11:57 am


Originally Posted by tanglin (Post 25951119)
When a fixed wing aircraft gets close to the ground (less than a winglength - maybe about a quarter winglength for a noticible effect) then additional lift is generated from the uplift of air passing under the wing.

It's actually the reduction in induced-drag due to the ground's disruption of the wingtip votacies.

pinniped Feb 19, 2018 8:26 am


Originally Posted by Sheikh Yerbooty (Post 25952897)
Then you should have looked at bit closer, and you might have discovered the 'Ekranoplanes'. They were essentially Soviet Navy missile destroyers, but moving a lot faster burning a lot more fuel.

http://i65.tinypic.com/sfbadl.jpg

The trick about WIG aircraft is, that you need less wing to generate the necessary lift as you're flying in the ground effect, and that wing is able to carry an obscene amount of weight. On the other hand, your fuel burn is astronomical as you're ploughing your way through the thick air near the surface.


Just in case anyone wants to spend a few more minutes down this rabbithole:
The Cold War-era Lun-class Ekranoplane was a hovercraft Soviets hoped to use to invade Western Europe.

Proudelitist Feb 20, 2018 9:44 am

There is a ground effect on take off right as the wings start generating positive lift, and on landing. It tends to be more noticeable in smaller aircraft. However, I am sure most people are actually feeling the "flare" on landing, when the nose is slightly lifted just before touchdown.


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