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Madone59 Nov 15, 2015 10:14 am


Originally Posted by Fleck (Post 25715780)
You are free to worry about, but it will do you no service.


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 25715781)
OP can ask any question he wants. He won't get answers to anything other than whether he may be rebooked. That will depend on his fare conditions and his willingness to pay the fees if any.

^^

I have never seen this before, but know it happens frequently. It is nothing to worry about, and nothing we (as a fellow passenger) has a right to inquire about.

transportprof Nov 15, 2015 10:39 am

My main surprise is at OP's surprise. As the most mobile society in the world, and with the largest prison population in the world, it should come as no surprise to see prisoners on U.S. flights.

WineCountryUA Nov 15, 2015 10:52 am

Since this is not unique to UA, have moved this thread to TravelBuzz where there are a number of existing threads (such as http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...transport.html) on this topic. Before the move some extraneous posts were removed.

WineCountryUA
UA coModerator

Often1 Nov 15, 2015 12:09 pm


Originally Posted by nachosdelux (Post 25716375)
Not true



Not true. just about any LEO (state, local. etc) can carry a firearm in DC (or about anywhere in the US) on or off duty (LEOSA HR 218)

And irrelevant. IAD is in Virginia !

WineCountryUA Nov 15, 2015 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by nachosdelux (Post 25716375)
... Not true. just about any LEO (state, local. etc) can carry a firearm in DC (or about anywhere in the US) on or off duty (LEOSA HR 218)

But not on aircraft (the actual subject of this thread)

Individuals must also obey any federal laws and federal agency policies that restrict the carrying of concealed firearms in certain federal buildings and lands, as well as federal regulations prohibiting the carriage of firearms on airplanes.

nachosdelux Nov 15, 2015 1:37 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 25716970)
But not on aircraft (the actual subject of this thread)

Separate law/procedure allows local/state LEOs to carry firearms on an aircraft, in limited circumstances (such as prisoner transport)

TSA Link:

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/law-enforcement

DonCarpenter Nov 15, 2015 3:39 pm

Maybe it's not a prisoner. Maybe it's just someone really into bondage. Either way, it's not a security risk.

milepig Nov 15, 2015 5:08 pm

And with the armed officer on board it should be one of the safer flights. Sit back, relax, and enjoy.

Tchiowa Nov 15, 2015 5:57 pm


Originally Posted by jfirstenberg (Post 25715523)
On a recent flight from TPA to IAD (apparently rebooked as a result of TPA-EWR delays), two law enforcement officers (not in uniform) were escorting a prisoner (handcuffed) on our flight.

Something is off here. This may happen in the movies but it is not supposed to happen on a plane. United, for example, will not fly handcuffed prisoners.


UA shall have the right to refuse to transport or shall have the right to remove from the aircraft at any point, any Passenger for the following reasons:

H) 10) Passengers who are manacled or in the custody of law enforcement personnel
A handcuffed passenger would be a significant problem in case of an emergency.

CDTraveler Nov 15, 2015 7:12 pm


Originally Posted by Tchiowa (Post 25718200)
Something is off here. This may happen in the movies but it is not supposed to happen on a plane. United, for example, will not fly handcuffed prisoners.


UA shall have the right to refuse to transport or shall have the right to remove from the aircraft at any point, any Passenger for the following reasons:

H) 10) Passengers who are manacled or in the custody of law enforcement personnelA handcuffed passenger would be a significant problem in case of an emergency.
A handcuffed passenger would be a significant problem in case of an emergency.

UA has the right to refuse, not they automatically refuse.

I've seen officers with handcuffed prisoners at the head of the boarding line several times and I'm far from the most frequent of flyers.

Efrem Nov 15, 2015 7:18 pm


Originally Posted by Tchiowa (Post 25718200)
... United, for example, will not fly handcuffed prisoners...

A long time ago, in a galaxy far away, I got a copy of AA's codes for the Passenger Information List that's usually posted in the galley (the forward galley, if there's more than one). Besides obvious things, such as AA and corresponding oneWorld elite levels, there were codes for "prisoner in handcuffs" and "escorting prisoner in handcuffs." I don't remember what they are, but I remember that they were on the list.

So, either AA doesn't follow UA's policy, or AA's policy has changed in the past 15 or so years.

abmj-jr Nov 15, 2015 9:20 pm


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 25718491)
... I've seen officers with handcuffed prisoners at the head of the boarding line several times and I'm far from the most frequent of flyers.

This is not necessarily conflicting. A long lifetime ago, when I was a LEO transporting extradited prisoners, we would always escort the critter onto the plane in handcuffs and transport chains but after getting him settled into a window seat the cuffs would be removed. Since we boarded first, few other pax would see that. We were always armed and the guy wouldn't leave his seat uncuffed. If he needed the lav, the cuffs went back on, the FA asked to clear a lav at the rear and the prisoner only moved to the lav when it was clear. One LEO stayed outside and walked him back when done. Since we requested seating at the back of the plane, few pax would see that either.

Tchiowa Nov 15, 2015 9:41 pm


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 25718491)
UA has the right to refuse, not they automatically refuse.

I've seen officers with handcuffed prisoners at the head of the boarding line several times and I'm far from the most frequent of flyers.

On nearly every flight from CDG to Africa the first group that boards are deportees. (At least that's what I've seen) Often cuffed. But they take the cuffs off when the enter the plane.

DudeE Nov 16, 2015 3:54 am

These kinds of passengers are pretty routine. Many of them are foreign nationals who committed crimes in the U.S. and are being deported back to their home countries under escort by Federal agents.

There are indeed times such passengers are denied boarding, but it's usually because they resist or act in a way that would potentially disrupt the flight - not simply for the fact that they are cuffed and in custody. In terms of being an actual safety risk to other passengers, it's not clear how that would happen given the supervision they are under.

DaveBlaine Nov 16, 2015 7:23 am

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