Sir, here is your Muslim Meal.
Sep 12, 2015, 9:44 am
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Muslim meal is not necessarily only Indian food. It can be steak and eggs but the meat needs to be halal which is almost same as kosher. I think the airlines need to change the name to halal meals instead of Muslim meals. Muslims can have kosher meals if halal meals are not available. I hope that explains
This was part of his trying to get our company to move its client lunches to the kosher steakhouse in Manhattan so he could have some of the leftovers we were always bringing back from BLT Steak.
Sep 12, 2015, 11:40 am
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You're judging those people - assuming the worst of them - without any proof of their thoughts or motives.
There could be any number of reasons why they didn't chat with you after the initial period, having nothing to do with your having ordered a Muslim meal. Or they may have been making assumptions due to bigotry. No way to know based on what you've relayed about the situation.
There could be any number of reasons why they didn't chat with you after the initial period, having nothing to do with your having ordered a Muslim meal. Or they may have been making assumptions due to bigotry. No way to know based on what you've relayed about the situation.
You are just trying to " peel the hair" now with this argument. Human expressions aren't easy to put down in words that being said .. Judging someone is wrong but you weren't with him so you can't judge what OP saw and felt either.
Give him the benefit of doubt please....
Sep 12, 2015, 11:45 am
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I know lots of people who order Muslim/Moslem meals and then ask for wine, beer or whatever. Some of that meal and beverage mix service is because the special meal's being ordered as a matter of non-religious-based preference; and some of it is because some kind of religious food restrictions are more widely observed than some kind of religious-based beverage restrictions.
It comes up for bookings mostly as Moslem/Muslim meal.
I've got a kosher joke related to India, where a collection of Indian muslims assumed that a kosher meal was an Indian meal from a certain part of northern India. Oh the surprise when the food was relatively spice-less.
It comes up for bookings mostly as Moslem/Muslim meal.
I've got a kosher joke related to India, where a collection of Indian muslims assumed that a kosher meal was an Indian meal from a certain part of northern India. Oh the surprise when the food was relatively spice-less.
Hahahaha. Did someone tell them they are eating Jewish meal. ?
Sep 12, 2015, 11:51 am
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I usually request the Moslem meal, too. I find the quality of the food to be generally a fair bit better than the regular meals.
I am a Caucasian, blonde haired American Christian. Perhaps I don't look like who they're expecting as on the vast majority of my flights, the FA will come up to me sheepishly and ask if either I changed seats or if I ordered a special meal when taking orders.
You needn't be Muslim to enjoy a Moslem meal.
More than a few times, the pax next to me has commented how good my meal looked.
I am a Caucasian, blonde haired American Christian. Perhaps I don't look like who they're expecting as on the vast majority of my flights, the FA will come up to me sheepishly and ask if either I changed seats or if I ordered a special meal when taking orders.
You needn't be Muslim to enjoy a Moslem meal.
More than a few times, the pax next to me has commented how good my meal looked.
Sep 12, 2015, 11:56 am
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For us, selecting Hindu meals is the way to go on long-haul flights in order to get somewhat flavorful entrees, as opposed to the usual bland Western fare. It's always amusing watching the FAs hesitantly approach with the special meals, expecting some sort of mixup based on our appearances.
TFB. If it's on the menu, it's fair game.
TFB. If it's on the menu, it's fair game.
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Sep 12, 2015, 12:14 pm
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I think that it's ignorance on the part of the caterers. You're analogy about Kosher meals not being called Jewish meals is spot on. I think that, while people will/won't have their own ignorances, such as the passengers next to you (I am not saying that they were accusing him or anything), you should go on with your day.
There are hundreds of people on that plane, you just happened to get stuck with them. They will continue living their lives and so will you.
To quote Max Ehrmann
There are hundreds of people on that plane, you just happened to get stuck with them. They will continue living their lives and so will you.
To quote Max Ehrmann
Go placidly amid the noise and the haste
and remember what peace there may be in silence
As far as possible without surrender
be on good terms with all persons
and remember what peace there may be in silence
As far as possible without surrender
be on good terms with all persons
Sep 12, 2015, 1:28 pm
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Or just mere lazyness. Kosher meals' code is KSML, not JWML, ans halal is MOML, not HLML. So when reading it, one if naturaly inclined to read the gormer as "kosher" and the latter as "muslim/moslem".
Sep 12, 2015, 2:03 pm
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Could it be the letters/code used may end up being similar and cause confusion if they use H for halal? Could H being used for some different meal such as high fibre meal?
For some reason AC always screws up special meal requests. I had ordered the MOML but got served the AVML despite confirming a couple of times at time of booking and even on the phone with AC. Not an issue on other airlines though. Just AC
For some reason AC always screws up special meal requests. I had ordered the MOML but got served the AVML despite confirming a couple of times at time of booking and even on the phone with AC. Not an issue on other airlines though. Just AC
Sep 12, 2015, 2:16 pm
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You are just trying to " peel the hair" now with this argument. Human expressions aren't easy to put down in words that being said .. Judging someone is wrong but you weren't with him so you can't judge what OP saw and felt either.
Give him the benefit of doubt please....
Give him the benefit of doubt please....
The OP apparently didn't even contemplate the possibility that his assumption could be incorrect. There are usually 3 sides to every story, as they say.
No, none of us were there but likewise the OP can't know what the other passengers were thinking. Why must the OP be given the benefit of the doubt but not the other passengers?
Sep 12, 2015, 4:09 pm
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As I stated, the other passengers may have had bad motives or they may not have. There is nothing wrong with pointing out to the OP that he may wish to consider that his assumption as to their motives could be incorrect. That's not judging the OP.
The OP apparently didn't even contemplate the possibility that his assumption could be incorrect. There are usually 3 sides to every story, as they say.
No, none of us were there but likewise the OP can't know what the other passengers were thinking. Why must the OP be given the benefit of the doubt but not the other passengers?
The OP apparently didn't even contemplate the possibility that his assumption could be incorrect. There are usually 3 sides to every story, as they say.
No, none of us were there but likewise the OP can't know what the other passengers were thinking. Why must the OP be given the benefit of the doubt but not the other passengers?
It's his version and I'm okay with it why? because these things and a lot worse do happen.
I've had a moslem lady in her burka decline to sit beside me... I didnt judge her as I know a bit about them and its probably something to do with religious beliefs. Although I could have made a big issue out of it...
Sep 12, 2015, 8:25 pm
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Sep 12, 2015, 9:56 pm
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OP wrote as he saw it and felt it. He gets the benefit of the doubt since we don't have other passengers posting here in opposition to his observations. like any story that gets posted on FT could be false or true. What if it never happened LOL. All I'm saying its hard to judge what he felt and saw. I'm sure his 2 paragraph post doesn't sum up the whole trip.
It's his version and I'm okay with it why? because these things and a lot worse do happen.
I've had a moslem lady in her burka decline to sit beside me... I didnt judge her as I know a bit about them and its probably something to do with religious beliefs. Although I could have made a big issue out of it...
It's his version and I'm okay with it why? because these things and a lot worse do happen.
I've had a moslem lady in her burka decline to sit beside me... I didnt judge her as I know a bit about them and its probably something to do with religious beliefs. Although I could have made a big issue out of it...
Sep 13, 2015, 9:09 am
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Even if the couple went silent because of that, so what? Is it any worse than if the trigger had instead been a copy of the Watchtower, a button saying "Rush is right!", the book of Mormon, a hammer & sickle pin, or a Hillary '16 screensaver? All these have well-known, controversial connotations and displaying them likely indicates the bearer is a true believer in that cause.
If the couple chooses to disengage, it's disconcerting that others would automatically assume it's done out of "ignorance" or "bad motives" rather than for philosophical/historical reasons or simply to avoid discussing politics or religion in polite company with someone who apparently has that as a central, defining characteristic. Ascribing that to "ignorance" says more about the speaker's view of others than it does about the subject.
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If the couple chooses to disengage, it's disconcerting that others would automatically assume it's done out of "ignorance" or "bad motives" rather than for philosophical/historical reasons or simply to avoid discussing politics or religion in polite company with someone who apparently has that as a central, defining characteristic. Ascribing that to "ignorance" says more about the speaker's view of others than it does about the subject.
Counting down to Omni...
Sep 13, 2015, 9:51 am
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Even if the couple went silent because of that, so what? Is it any worse than if the trigger had instead been a copy of the Watchtower, a button saying "Rush is right!", the book of Mormon, a hammer & sickle pin, or a Hillary '16 screensaver? All these have well-known, controversial connotations and displaying them likely indicates the bearer is a true believer in that cause.
If the couple chooses to disengage, it's disconcerting that others would automatically assume it's done out of "ignorance" or "bad motives" rather than for philosophical/historical reasons or simply to avoid discussing politics or religion in polite company with someone who apparently has that as a central, defining characteristic. Ascribing that to "ignorance" says more about the speaker's view of others than it does about the subject.
Counting down to Omni...
If the couple chooses to disengage, it's disconcerting that others would automatically assume it's done out of "ignorance" or "bad motives" rather than for philosophical/historical reasons or simply to avoid discussing politics or religion in polite company with someone who apparently has that as a central, defining characteristic. Ascribing that to "ignorance" says more about the speaker's view of others than it does about the subject.
Counting down to Omni...
Because you want it to be like that?
Receiving delivery of a kosher meal or "Muslim/Moslem" meal resulting in bigots of some sort changing their willingness to deal with an indivual for no reason other than xenophobic prejudice is very much a real possibility and has taken place. Not always easy to determine that it has taken place, but sometimes it is rather easy to determine.
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