The obsession with alcohol - Part 2
Jun 27, 2015, 3:35 am
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...and the number of times people ACTUALLY get hurt by passengers like this?
...the percentage of flights impacted is?
If you don't like airlines that serve alcohol, don't fly on airlines that serve alcohol. Pretty simple. You could also move to several fundamentalist muslim countries where alcohol is banned.
...the percentage of flights impacted is?
If you don't like airlines that serve alcohol, don't fly on airlines that serve alcohol. Pretty simple. You could also move to several fundamentalist muslim countries where alcohol is banned.
This thread is about drunken, disruptive passengers who board an aircraft and cause stress and fear to their fellow passengers and the cabin crew through their disruptive behaviour.
One airline (as stated in the article I posted a link to) has decided to ban such passengers for life. Others airlines could follow. This is something I happen to agree with.
Jun 27, 2015, 3:44 am
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I have yet to see the famous drunk pax scenario yet (especially the awful ones brought up in "screaming kid" threads)
At one point, I chalked it up to flying full service carriers on city pairs that were mostly business and/or higher end tourism. At this point, I think it's a moral panic without substance.
At one point, I chalked it up to flying full service carriers on city pairs that were mostly business and/or higher end tourism. At this point, I think it's a moral panic without substance.
Jun 27, 2015, 5:36 am
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Never heard about violent drunks? I've seen enough personally, fortunately quite a while ago.
I still don't get the logic allowing people to consume one drug with high potential of abuse and addiction which makes number of people violent and ban another one which actually slows them down...
I still don't get the logic allowing people to consume one drug with high potential of abuse and addiction which makes number of people violent and ban another one which actually slows them down...
Jun 27, 2015, 5:37 am
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I have yet to see the famous drunk pax scenario yet (especially the awful ones brought up in "screaming kid" threads)
At one point, I chalked it up to flying full service carriers on city pairs that were mostly business and/or higher end tourism. At this point, I think it's a moral panic without substance.
At one point, I chalked it up to flying full service carriers on city pairs that were mostly business and/or higher end tourism. At this point, I think it's a moral panic without substance.
In defence of MAN i fly out there almost weekly and have never encountered disruptive drunks.
Jun 27, 2015, 5:48 am
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Never heard about violent drunks? I've seen enough personally, fortunately quite a while ago.
I still don't get the logic allowing people to consume one drug with high potential of abuse and addiction which makes number of people violent and ban another one which actually slows them down...
I still don't get the logic allowing people to consume one drug with high potential of abuse and addiction which makes number of people violent and ban another one which actually slows them down...
Jun 27, 2015, 6:17 am
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I think there is problem - route and airline specific - Yes
I had the experience of flying LON LAS on VS along with a fifty strong stag group. Virgin unfortunately didn't have the wit to seat them together in one section so the whole of economy endured their shouting down the plane at each other, vile language, and drunken staggering (pulling on the seat backs as they went). It was the longest ten hour flight ever and despite hundred of thousands on BIS miles under my belt (or should that be butt?) it's the only flight I've ever felt unsafe on as the cabin crew had zero authority if anything had escalated. Had Virgin seated them in one section the odds are the disruption to other passengers would have been minimal.
I place the blame firmly on the airline however -as these far from teenage men were clearly tanked up prior to boarding and were still served throughout the first few hours of the flight.
Refusing boarding to anyone under the influence and stopping service if a passenger appears to have had too much is apparently a concept that VS/Ryanair notably don't have a grasp of.
I do think it's far more of a problem with British carriers than US carriers (and one reason why I choose US carriers over UK ones when flying to Vegas specifically)
If a bar gets uncomfortable due to the behaviour of drunks - you can head out the door- not an option at thirty five thousand feet though !
Does it happen on all UK vacation destination flights- no of course not - but I can choose to avoid Virgin and BA specifically on those kind of routes and dramatically reduce the possibility of having to contend with an unpleasant flight. An economy seat varies little between carriers -and Ilike most frequent travellers don't rely on IFE or expect much from inflight catering -but a reasonably peaceful flight is a basic expectation.
If all drunks fell asleep as soon as they reached a certain point of inebriation -it wouldn't be a problem - but not everyone is that kind of a drunk unfortunately.
A couple of well publicized bannings and the problem would mostly disappear -Virgin choose not to do this - so I choose not to fly with them. I have friends who choose not to fly Virgin because they find Virgin's shutting off all drinks service 4 hours out of London (in economy) irritating ...as I do too. I don't want a drink at 10 am shortly after take off - but a few hours in (and it's after lunch not breakfast ) then a little libation is very nice - but by then Virgin have claimed to "run out" in Y - to justify cutting off the drunks so the grown ups get cut off too.
I had the experience of flying LON LAS on VS along with a fifty strong stag group. Virgin unfortunately didn't have the wit to seat them together in one section so the whole of economy endured their shouting down the plane at each other, vile language, and drunken staggering (pulling on the seat backs as they went). It was the longest ten hour flight ever and despite hundred of thousands on BIS miles under my belt (or should that be butt?) it's the only flight I've ever felt unsafe on as the cabin crew had zero authority if anything had escalated. Had Virgin seated them in one section the odds are the disruption to other passengers would have been minimal.
I place the blame firmly on the airline however -as these far from teenage men were clearly tanked up prior to boarding and were still served throughout the first few hours of the flight.
Refusing boarding to anyone under the influence and stopping service if a passenger appears to have had too much is apparently a concept that VS/Ryanair notably don't have a grasp of.
I do think it's far more of a problem with British carriers than US carriers (and one reason why I choose US carriers over UK ones when flying to Vegas specifically)
If a bar gets uncomfortable due to the behaviour of drunks - you can head out the door- not an option at thirty five thousand feet though !
Does it happen on all UK vacation destination flights- no of course not - but I can choose to avoid Virgin and BA specifically on those kind of routes and dramatically reduce the possibility of having to contend with an unpleasant flight. An economy seat varies little between carriers -and Ilike most frequent travellers don't rely on IFE or expect much from inflight catering -but a reasonably peaceful flight is a basic expectation.
If all drunks fell asleep as soon as they reached a certain point of inebriation -it wouldn't be a problem - but not everyone is that kind of a drunk unfortunately.
A couple of well publicized bannings and the problem would mostly disappear -Virgin choose not to do this - so I choose not to fly with them. I have friends who choose not to fly Virgin because they find Virgin's shutting off all drinks service 4 hours out of London (in economy) irritating ...as I do too. I don't want a drink at 10 am shortly after take off - but a few hours in (and it's after lunch not breakfast ) then a little libation is very nice - but by then Virgin have claimed to "run out" in Y - to justify cutting off the drunks so the grown ups get cut off too.
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Jun 27, 2015, 6:23 am
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Jun 29, 2015, 1:01 am
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Thank you. You saved me the hassle of having to spell it out.
I'm amazed that just because people haven't experienced an abusive drunken passenger on one of their flights, they consider the problem of people boarding flights in a drunken state as a non-issue.
I would imagine it's a really big deal for crew to call the police to meet the aircraft upon landing.
I would be very surprised if a cabin crew member would get the police called simply because they didn't like a passenger!
Don't they have to seek advice and an opinion from the cockpit and the captain makes the decision?
I'm amazed that just because people haven't experienced an abusive drunken passenger on one of their flights, they consider the problem of people boarding flights in a drunken state as a non-issue.
I would imagine it's a really big deal for crew to call the police to meet the aircraft upon landing.
I would be very surprised if a cabin crew member would get the police called simply because they didn't like a passenger!
Don't they have to seek advice and an opinion from the cockpit and the captain makes the decision?
Inn answer to 2, the CSD can certainly decide this for theselves, not a big deal.
Jun 29, 2015, 6:18 pm
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Why ban? If we make 250ml Bud Light for $15 and 183ml of Charles Shaw for $20 - there won't be many takers, plus it will be source of revenue.
Regarding drunks - Russian based airlines have list >2000 people over last 5 years who become disruptive during the flight.
Wanna see drunks (bunch of them) during flight - go on one of those charter/seasonal flights going from Russia to Egypt or Thailand. You'll get full house.
Regarding drunks - Russian based airlines have list >2000 people over last 5 years who become disruptive during the flight.
Wanna see drunks (bunch of them) during flight - go on one of those charter/seasonal flights going from Russia to Egypt or Thailand. You'll get full house.
Jun 29, 2015, 9:48 pm
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Jun 29, 2015, 10:43 pm
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The opposite is much more often the persistent problem: the parents who refuse to mix spirits and/or tranquilizers into the babyfood so that the Little One can rest in thin air.
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Jul 2, 2015, 6:56 am
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I have yet to see the famous drunk pax scenario yet (especially the awful ones brought up in "screaming kid" threads)
At one point, I chalked it up to flying full service carriers on city pairs that were mostly business and/or higher end tourism. At this point, I think it's a moral panic without substance.
At one point, I chalked it up to flying full service carriers on city pairs that were mostly business and/or higher end tourism. At this point, I think it's a moral panic without substance.
Jul 2, 2015, 8:11 am
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On average, every day more than 8 million people fly. In 2013 total passenger numbers were 3.1 billion—surpassing the 3 billion mark for the first time ever. That number is expected to grow to 3.3 billion in 2014 (equivalent to 44% of the world's population).