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MSPeconomist Jun 2, 2015 3:18 pm

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Originally Posted by Ber2dca (Post 24908774)
I feel like U.S. embassies go out of their way to hire locals for the more basic admin jobs. Might consider it part of their good will mission or something to build up ties to the local community. Of course, in the movies it's always the local secretary who ends up being the spy ;).

In some places, the embassy hires locals because the locals know the local language while the USA citizens working there do not.

thegoodbubba Jun 2, 2015 3:52 pm

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Originally Posted by Ber2dca (Post 24908774)
I feel like U.S. embassies go out of their way to hire locals for the more basic admin jobs. Might consider it part of their good will mission or something to build up ties to the local community. Of course, in the movies it's always the local secretary who ends up being the spy ;).

We hire locals for three main reasons, costs, continuity, and local knowledge.

It costs about 500,000 a year for every American overseas. This includes salary and benefits, plane tickets and shipping of goods, housing, the desk space and things like IT support, security, etc. It most countries, though not Western Europe, the salary of a local is cheaper, and while you still have to pay the costs associated with the desk, you don't have to pay housing. (though we do also hire family members of American who are already at posts for many of these jobs if they are qualified)

At an overseas post an American is there for three years max, where a local will often stay for many years.

They know the local language, the culture, and due to the continuity issue, often have the best contacts for getting things done.

While you may be interacting with locals in many cases, for most decisions including the final decision of issuing a visa or notarizing a document, etc it is American doing this.

invisible Jun 2, 2015 10:39 pm

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Originally Posted by thegoodbubba (Post 24909165)
It costs about 500,000 a year for every American overseas.

That's the cost to ship VP of Fortune 500 company overseas, including the salary.

I have a feeling that GAO should take serious look at this costs.

ajGoes Jun 2, 2015 11:54 pm

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Originally Posted by invisible (Post 24910620)
That's the cost to ship VP of Fortune 500 company overseas, including the salary.

Not so. A friend has had several long-term expat assignments as an engineer for General Electric. He told me the company spends just that figure, $500,000, per year per expat.

msiamsia Jun 3, 2015 2:03 pm

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Originally Posted by ontheway (Post 24902781)
I am happy to have this opportunity to share what I know about American Embassies as I was very disappointed in what I learned.
My dearest friend was on a cruise when her husband died suddenly in Hong Kong. Of course they left the ship and were at a hotel. No matter what they did the American Embassy did nothing. Finally they found a local Rabbi who was able to accomplish what had to be done.

I was under impression that US Embassy would treat their citizens far better than Japanese Embassy, I guess wrong.

Friend of mine experienced a similar episode with Japanese Embassy in France. Her parents (Japanese citizen) traveled to Paris and father died of heart condition. In order to export(?) deceased body back to the homeland, some sort of government document is required, the document only the deceased or his/her spouse has the legal right to obtain from the government office in Japan. Well, deceased is deceased so there is no way the father can request such form. Spouse? now a widow also in Paris, France miles away from Japan, how the hell she is able to obtain such document when she is not in Japan? Knowing all these details, no one at Japanese Embassy helped to relay the message back to government office in Japan for expedited service, nor no one at Japanese Embassy helped the widow to coordinate exporting process. Poor mother had to wait couple days for her daughter/son to arrive Paris.

Felt really heartless and cold, but at the same time it confirmed the long lasting facts/rumors that one cannot expect any help from Japanese Embassy so don't bother.

msiamsia Jun 3, 2015 2:13 pm

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Originally Posted by erik123 (Post 24908391)
If a US citizen (and in some cases non-US) and you are dissatisfied with treatment you should complain, preferably starting at the top (i.e. the Ambassador). I've done this several times to great effect to get issues resolved.

Your comments just sparked my curiosity. What was your issue and how was it taken care of? Very interesting.

CBear Jun 3, 2015 2:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Alex71 (Post 24906093)
We occasionally have to deal with the American consulate in Frankfurt to renew the kids' passports (wife is American and kids are dual citizens) and it surely is a pain:

- it can only be done in person and both parents have to be present
- one has to make an appointment weeks in advance
- despite the appointment, one has to wait an hour in line just to go through security
- while waiting in line, one has to listen to condescending comments from the staff
- It's not allowed wo bring any electronic devices into the building, if on forgets a phone in a bag or a pocket, it's back to the car and then back to the end of the line
- they will only mail the passport if provided with a special DHL envelope, without that, it's back outside to the nearest DHL office and then back to the end of the line
- one has to fill out complicated forms, sign them and then swear that everything is filled out correctly
- on then gets a receipt with which one has to get into another line to pay the fee and to get the receipt stamped
- with the stamped receipt, on has to get into a final line to hand it back in.

Luckily, we only have to deal with it only every two or three years.

Pretty standard in the US too.

Both parents do not need be present if one parent has notarized permission from the other parent.

I don't understand what's especially complicated about a passport application? Of course you're going to swear the information you provided is correct by way of your signature. Where in the world would you not?

For what it's worth, when my father died outside of the country, the consulate was extremely helpful and fast and the lady went out of her way to make sure we didn't need any help with funeral arrangements or transportation of the remains (we did not).

Christopher Jun 4, 2015 1:19 am

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Originally Posted by bwiadca (Post 24902881)
I was in U.S. Embassy in Poland. I had to get some forms. Didn't make any appointments just walked in. At the entrance I showed them my US passport and was treated like royalty. By passed all the lines for metal detectors and lines to talk to the consular officer.
That's exactly what I would expect visiting my embassy overseas.

Well in these days that seems unwise of the embassy - having a US passport doesn't preclude being up to no good!

gooseman13 Jun 5, 2015 7:19 am

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Originally Posted by thegoodbubba (Post 24909165)
We hire locals for three main reasons, costs, continuity, and local knowledge.

It costs about 500,000 a year for every American overseas. This includes salary and benefits, plane tickets and shipping of goods, housing, the desk space and things like IT support, security, etc. It most countries, though not Western Europe, the salary of a local is cheaper, and while you still have to pay the costs associated with the desk, you don't have to pay housing. (though we do also hire family members of American who are already at posts for many of these jobs if they are qualified)

At an overseas post an American is there for three years max, where a local will often stay for many years.

They know the local language, the culture, and due to the continuity issue, often have the best contacts for getting things done.

While you may be interacting with locals in many cases, for most decisions including the final decision of issuing a visa or notarizing a document, etc it is American doing this.

Excellent post thegoodbubba, thanks for sharing.:)

Kagehitokiri Jun 8, 2015 10:50 pm

'consumers' tend to underestimate costs and what costs exist

like net profit margins, they might be 0.1% after all the costs

travelinmanS Jun 9, 2015 1:51 am

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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri (Post 24940536)
'consumers' tend to underestimate costs and what costs exist

like net profit margins, they might be 0.1% after all the costs

For instance, who would think that adding 24 pages of paper to a passport could cost $82.

sparkchaser Jul 9, 2015 1:41 am

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Originally Posted by invisible (Post 24910620)
That's the cost to ship VP of Fortune 500 company overseas, including the salary.

TIL that I was a VP of a Fortune 500 company. Too bad my pay didn't reflect that.

Sixth Freedom Jul 9, 2015 3:52 am

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Originally Posted by travelinmanS (Post 24940918)
For instance, who would think that adding 24 pages of paper to a passport could cost $82.

The costs do not only include the paper and the physical processing. They also include the design and implementation of a process for the processing, as well as the costs of hiring and retaining staff to manage both the processing and the management.

BuildingMyBento Jul 9, 2015 8:22 am

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Originally Posted by Sixth Freedom (Post 25091124)
The costs do not only include the paper and the physical processing. They also include the design and implementation of a process for the processing, as well as the costs of hiring and retaining staff to manage both the processing and the management.

I'll just go to Khaosan Rd. next time pages need to be added...


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