11 seater a380 vs 10 seater 777
Which will be the more uncomfortable layout? I have riden on a 10 seater 777 although the seat pitch was 33 inches, and it was not too bad, I personally felt that even 31 inches was still bearable on that plane.
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The fuselage of an A380 is 3'1" wider than that of a 777. All things being equal, that allows for slightly wider seats and/or aisles despite having one more seat in each row. However, all things are not necessarily equal. A lot depends on how an airline chooses to configure its economy cabin. Which airline(s) are you thinking of here?
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Originally Posted by ren0312
(Post 24864900)
Which will be the more uncomfortable layout? I have riden on a 10 seater 777 although the seat pitch was 33 inches, and it was not too bad, I personally felt that even 31 inches was still bearable on that plane.
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Philippine Airlines is looking at the A350, but they owned 747s before so if the high density A380s with NEO comes around, they may look into it, I am just wondering what it may be like. I am 5'7 so 31 inch seat pitch is not much of a problem.
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I've flown Emirates and Qantas A-380s and both those airlines have 10 seats across in economy, in a 3-4-3 configuration. I found both comfortable, with adequate pitch and width.
Which airlines fly 11 across in economy? |
Originally Posted by celle
(Post 24869152)
Which airlines fly 11 across in economy?
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Just doing the maths here; Currently, Emirates A-380 economy seats have a width of 18" and a pitch of 32-34".
To accommodate 11 across would mean reducing the seat width to approximately 16'5", plus narrowing both aisles. (10 seats reduced by 1.5" each = 15", plus approx 2" reduction in each aisle width = 4", giving a total of 19", allowing for small arm rests.) Not acceptable for me! |
Originally Posted by celle
(Post 24869228)
To accommodate 11 across would mean reducing the seat width to approximately 16'5"
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Originally Posted by celle
(Post 24869228)
Just doing the maths here; Currently, Emirates A-380 economy seats have a width of 18" and a pitch of 32-34".
To accommodate 11 across would mean reducing the seat width to approximately 16'5", plus narrowing both aisles. (10 seats reduced by 1.5" each = 15", plus approx 2" reduction in each aisle width = 4", giving a total of 19", allowing for small arm rests.) Not acceptable for me! http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...0-seating-2017 |
The problem is that the side wall on the lower deck of the A380 already curves in as it is, making the window seat less comfortable. Adding another seat by taking the space away from underneath the window seat will make it even worse.
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Originally Posted by Efrem
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The fuselage of an A380 is 3'1" wider than that of a 777. All things being equal, that allows for slightly wider seats and/or aisles despite having one more seat in each row. However, all things are not necessarily equal. A lot depends on how an airline chooses to configure its economy cabin. Which airline(s) are you thinking of here?
On the current configs, I end up picking them like this: Of the comfortable set: 2-4-3 787 > 2-4-2 Airbus > 2-5-2 777 > 3-4-3 A380 > 3-3-3 777 Of the too-narrow-seat-set, to avoid if I can: 2-3-2 767 > (hypothetically 3-3-3 787) > 3-4-3 747 > 3-4-3 777 ...although it's a bit of a silly comparison on the airlines I fly as I rarely have more than one option on the same routes on the alliance I fly, and I'm rarely in a position to pick the routing purely by my aircraft choice. I'd expect the 3-5-3 A380 to slot in right around the 787 in the second group -- better than the others in width, but not a lot better.
Originally Posted by Alex71
(Post 24870594)
The problem is that the side wall on the lower deck of the A380 already curves in as it is, making the window seat less comfortable. Adding another seat by taking the space away from underneath the window seat will make it even worse.
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Originally Posted by lhrsfo
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The pitch has nothing to do with the number of seats across - which affects seat and aisle width.
Originally Posted by ren0312
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11 seater A380s would still be 18 inches across per seat.
http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...0-seating-2017 The A380 11-abreast cabin mockup was on display at the AIX conference in Hamburg earlier this year. I sat in the seats and explored it in detail. The window seat will be mostly miserable thanks to the curve of the side wall, among other things. http://airwaysnews.com/blog/wp-conte...ow-footing.jpg n.b. The link above is to my blog or to one which I am a regular contributor. FT rules require that I disclose that in the post. |
Originally Posted by sbm12
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Sure, but it is a BS measurement. They are measuring inside the arm rests and making the arm rests narrower to maintain that dimension. You get less space but the measurement standard is tweaked to make it work in the math.[...]The window seat will be mostly miserable thanks to the curve of the side wall, among other things.
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Originally Posted by ren0312
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11 seater A380s would still be 18 inches across per seat.
http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...0-seating-2017 Given a fixed aircraft width, fitting an extra seat into each row can only be done at the expense of narrowing either seats or aisles, or both. I doubt that sufficient room for an extra seat could be obtained by making the armrests any thinner. |
Originally Posted by celle
(Post 24876603)
So this article claims, but it doesn't explain how.
Given a fixed aircraft width, fitting an extra seat into each row can only be done at the expense of narrowing either seats or aisles, or both. I doubt that sufficient room for an extra seat could be obtained by making the armrests any thinner. |
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