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Palal Dec 8, 2016 6:13 am


Originally Posted by thorntow (Post 27581028)
In FAA Air Traffic Control phraseology, there in no such phraseology as @Cleared to line up and wait. The proper phraseology is "(aircraft call sign) taxi into position and hold, (reason for hold)." The acft should reply with an acknowledgement.

The FAA terminology was changed from "Position and hold" to ICAO-standard "Line up and wait" on 30 SEP 2010. Use of the older phrase is no longer considered correct by the FAA.

PAX_fips Dec 8, 2016 7:40 am

So far on LH the FA not announcing anything, but one of the pilots usually within a minute before either happens: "cabin crew prepare for takeoff/landing" (time to really fasten the belt...).
With EW/GW it's sometimes only a BING or a light flashing before takeoff.

Oh, and if you want to dig into some ATC conversations: http://liveatc.net .

ROCAT Dec 9, 2016 9:19 pm


Originally Posted by Palal (Post 27582161)
The FAA terminology was changed from "Position and hold" to ICAO-standard "Line up and wait" on 30 SEP 2010. Use of the older phrase is no longer considered correct by the FAA.

And we never used "cleared" in that clearance, just RWYXX position and hold. Too much danger that the pilot will hear cleared and go.

Herb687 Dec 12, 2016 5:44 pm


Originally Posted by thorntow (Post 27581028)
In FAA Air Traffic Control phraseology, there in no such phraseology as @Cleared to line up and wait. The proper phraseology is "(aircraft call sign) taxi into position and hold, (reason for hold)." The acft should reply with an acknowledgement.

Outdated.

"Position and hold" has NOT been acceptable ATC phraseology in the United States for several years now.

"Line Up and Wait" is now correct ATC phraseology in the USA as with most of the world.

And while I don't want to study the FAA ATC manual in detail, I also believe that the "Cleared to" part is both redundant and not allowed as part of a LUAW clearance.


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