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WHBM Jul 23, 2014 6:15 am


Originally Posted by warakorn (Post 23241999)
Are you sure? I have heard SU is pocketing this money and LH was complaining about that for a long time (paying ATC charges directly to a competitor).

This is correct, as described in my post #11 above. The income for Aeroflot last year from them was about USD 200m, which was significantly more than Aeroflot's overall profit for the year. Cancelling the fees, or not, has become embroiled with the EU's threat to start charging airlines silly "pollution fees" based on how much fuel they use - if the EU starts actually levying these then you can wave goodbye to the Russian overflight fees being ended.

telloh Jul 23, 2014 9:42 am


Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 23239129)
It must gall the Cuba-isolationists in Miami Tower a bit to see on radar all the European (and Canadian) operators, and increasingly Latin American ones, including mainstream national carriers, passing off the shores of Florida headed for Havana, Varadero, and various other points.

Any U.S. citizen with relatives in Cuba is exempt from the embargo, so there are plenty of commercial (charter) flights from the U.S. to Cuba. I doubt anybody in Miami Center cares!

lhrsfo Jul 23, 2014 10:21 am

Many years ago, I remember flying to South Africa on SAA when it was not allowed to fly over much of the rest of Africa. All the European departures (except for one - more on that later) flew up the West of Africa and had to refuel at Islho de Sal (sp?) because they didn't have the range. It was extraordinary sitting on the plane there at about 2am, watching dozens of 747s coming and going, all on a refuelling stop.

The one exception was a white painted SAA 747, which they seemed happy to fly over Africa - perhaps it was leased from another nation's carrier and had those identifiers, I don't know, but I felt glad I wasn't on that plane. I told myself that, next time, I'd go on a European carrier which could overfly Africa without problem.


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