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raa4510 Jun 19, 2014 1:19 pm

Missing Passenger and Proper Procedure
 
On a recent flight from Las Vegas, seated in first class, a passenger boarded the aircraft stored his brief case in the overhead bin and sat down on the window seat. A few moments later, he used the rest room; returned to retrieve his brief case and left the aircraft. Towards the end of the boarding process, the flight attendant noticed he was gone; soon a supervisor was notified and quite a bit of discussion ensued. Suddenly the door was closed and we pushed back. I asked the flight attendant if the pilot knew of this situation - she ignored me but then called the pilot. Soon, everyone in first class was asked to identify their luggage. Once we had done so, the pilot started the engines and we left. I haven't been quite that concerned in a long time! When I complained to the airline, there was deafening silence on what happened and the proper procedures. Has anyone encountered this before? Was I wrong not to raise more concerns with the pilot?

Often1 Jun 19, 2014 3:50 pm

There is no requirement for a carry-on check when someone offloads themselves. This was likely done to calm people down once it had been raised. To be frank, unless a crew member had eyes on the offloaded pax at all times and knew that the pax had never accessed any location other than in F, if it was necessary to identify hand luggage for F, it should have been done for the entire aircraft. But, it wasn't necessary.

Both checked and carry-on luggage are screened and, since 2003, bag matches have not been done on checked luggage either.

When the pax off-loaded, there were a series of steps involving both the Captain, the FA and the GA. Thus, the Captain was most certainly aware.

Annalisa12 Jun 19, 2014 4:09 pm

[QUOTE=Often1;23063825]There is no requirement for a carry-on check when someone offloads themselves. QUOTE]

Why?

In case they are up to no good, they offload their luggage from the hold, why would carry on be any different?

Annalisa12 Jun 19, 2014 4:10 pm

Did they check the loo in case he didn't put anything in there????

nrr Jun 19, 2014 4:26 pm

Since the mystery pax did board the plane, his bp must have been scanned. By a process of elimination (easier if he really was in fc), they should know his name. Does that make the plane more secure is a different story. [IF TSA is as vigilant as they want us to believe, what could he have placed in the [loo] restroom that would be a threat.]
Did pax have checked luggage?...knowing his identity could help.

nrr Jun 19, 2014 4:29 pm


Originally Posted by Annalisa12 (Post 23063917)
Did they check the loo in case he didn't put anything in there????

There is no problem if he "didn't put something in the loo--only a potential problem if he DID.:D

Often1 Jun 19, 2014 6:29 pm

[QUOTE=Annalisa12;23063910]

Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 23063825)
There is no requirement for a carry-on check when someone offloads themselves. QUOTE]

Why?

In case they are up to no good, they offload their luggage from the hold, why would carry on be any different?

If you had read my entire post, you would now know that the US stopped this silliness back in 2003, when it went to 100% bag screening (both checked and carry-on).

goalie Jun 19, 2014 6:51 pm


Originally Posted by Annalisa12 (Post 23063917)
Did they check the loo in case he didn't put anything in there????

^ That's where my concern lies as well as personally, I would have no issues if everyone was asked to deplane, all bags (both carry-on and checked) removed and searched as opposed to pax being removed/flights delayed because someone was FWB. I'm no tin foil hat paranoid (and dare I say xenophobic) nut job like the majority of pax who cause a flight to be delayed, but in this case, imho, somebody dropped the ball

emrdoc Jun 19, 2014 10:41 pm

What exactly is the concern? The passenger and his luggage were screened. Who cares if he boarded, did not board, boarded and then deboarded, etc.

emrdoc Jun 19, 2014 10:43 pm


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 23064580)
^ That's where my concern lies as well as personally, I would have no issues if everyone was asked to deplane, all bags (both carry-on and checked) removed and searched as opposed to pax being removed/flights delayed because someone was FWB. I'm no tin foil hat paranoid (and dare I say xenophobic) nut job like the majority of pax who cause a flight to be delayed, but in this case, imho, somebody dropped the ball

What is your rationale for this action?

moeve Jun 20, 2014 1:38 am

Oh right and you believe they catch everything?!:rolleyes:

daumueller Jun 20, 2014 3:16 am


Originally Posted by moeve (Post 23065972)
Oh right and you believe they catch everything?!

The point is: if he had never showed up at the gate, his bag would probably still have remained on Board - just without you knowing that

Annalisa12 Jun 20, 2014 4:31 am


Originally Posted by emrdoc (Post 23065578)
What exactly is the concern? The passenger and his luggage were screened. Who cares if he boarded, did not board, boarded and then deboarded, etc.

Why do I hear the announcement that "a few passengers haven't boarded so the delay is due to removing their luggage from the hold". If everything is screened 100% why do they need to hold my plane up and remove it?

Nothing is 100% safe.

Annalisa12 Jun 20, 2014 4:34 am


Originally Posted by moeve (Post 23065972)
Oh right and you believe they catch everything?!:rolleyes:

I agree.

If they could catch everything, there would be no drug smuggling either. Nothing is 100%

daumueller Jun 20, 2014 5:27 am


Originally Posted by Annalisa12 (Post 23066318)
Quote:





Originally Posted by emrdoc


What exactly is the concern? The passenger and his luggage were screened. Who cares if he boarded, did not board, boarded and then deboarded, etc.




Why do I hear the announcement that "a few passengers haven't boarded so the delay is due to removing their luggage from the hold". If everything is screened 100% why do they need to hold my plane up and remove it?

Nothing is 100% safe.

In the US, this only applies to international flights (only they have positive bag match)


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