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U.S. Congressional Action to Change How Airfares are Advertised.

U.S. Congressional Action to Change How Airfares are Advertised.

Old Apr 17, 2014, 6:08 pm
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Originally Posted by jfkeze
I wrote to my Congresswoman (Grace Meng) to express my opposition to this piece of legislation. Let’s see what she or her staff responds…
Can someone write a form letter against this legislation so that all (most) FT-ers can send to their Congress representatives?
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Old Apr 17, 2014, 6:16 pm
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I have contacted my Congressman (not on the committee) and the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee and the Airlines Sub-committee to voice my opposition to this bill, but, with all the money flowing from the airlines, I suspect our complaints will be ignored and they can again advertise unrealistic "air fares". And, to those who feels that ignoring taxes in advertising is OK, I know exactly what my sales tax is - I find it difficult to to even estimate air fare taxes (which include some wierd charges as well as payouts to individual airports). I, for one, do not want to wait until after I have purchased to see all the add-on taxes; I want to know what I have to pay for the ticket before I buy it.
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Old Apr 17, 2014, 7:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Jerseyguy
Speaking about taxing taxes out of your paycheck, would you require your employer to make you an offer of your salary after taxes? After all, you never see that money, all I want to know is what I'm taking home when the paycheck arrives.
Your employer does not pay taxes on your income, you do. The employer is just remitting them to the IRS on your behalf. However these payments are still your responsibility, and you need to make sure that the full amount you owe is paid.

The portion of the taxes that your employer is responsible for (the employer share of payroll taxes) is not included in your salary offer because it is paid by the employer.
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Old Apr 17, 2014, 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Calchas
What is to stop consumers seeing this now? Why don't the airlines make this information prominent?

Is it really necessary to mislead consumers about the total price of the airfare to get them to understand that aviation is subject to taxation?

(Where I define "total price" as the money the consumer will pay for the ticket.)
Whats to stop cosumers seeing this now? Laziness. Americans are lazy, plain and simple, not enough people care. The way things are now, people look at the $300 fare that includes taxes and doesn't really comprehend that $50 of it are going to the goverment/airport That $50 turns into $70 because the tax goes up, most people think, greedy airline is charging me more now. Some people might hear a story about it but even those people will forget a month later and then blame the airline. When they see $250 for the airfare, click next and its suddenly $300, they realize that hey yeah, the goverments taking $50 from me (whether they think this is a reasonable fee for what the goverment does thats irrelevant). PS there is no misleading of the public by doing this, X is the amount charged by the airline Y is the amount charged by the goverment and the airports. Might be easier for the consumer but its unfair to the airline. Europe does it where they quote the total price including VAT but if I charged that much in taxes, I'd sure want it to be harder for the citizens to realize it.
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Old Apr 17, 2014, 8:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Jerseyguy
Whats to stop cosumers seeing this now? Laziness. Americans are lazy, plain and simple, not enough people care. The way things are now, people look at the $300 fare that includes taxes and doesn't really comprehend that $50 of it are going to the goverment/airport That $50 turns into $70 because the tax goes up, most people think, greedy airline is charging me more now. Some people might hear a story about it but even those people will forget a month later and then blame the airline. When they see $250 for the airfare, click next and its suddenly $300, they realize that hey yeah, the goverments taking $50 from me (whether they think this is a reasonable fee for what the goverment does thats irrelevant). PS there is no misleading of the public by doing this, X is the amount charged by the airline Y is the amount charged by the goverment and the airports. Might be easier for the consumer but its unfair to the airline. Europe does it where they quote the total price including VAT but if I charged that much in taxes, I'd sure want it to be harder for the citizens to realize it.
It's been repeated multiple times on the thread that it is currently legal to disclose the price before taxes as long as the price after taxes is also shown. Airlines can even advertise "We only want $200 but your GREEDY government wants $100, so you have to pay $300." Most of us here agree that this isn't about taxes, it's about surcharges and other things like airport fees which are just part of doing business and shouldn't be it's own separate fee.
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Old Apr 17, 2014, 8:28 pm
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These airlines and congresspeople have no shame. The USA is turning into a disgusting country that treats it's citizens with contempt, similar to how the airlines treat their customers. Congress should be enacting laws that help citizens, not ones that help airlines who are happy to, at the drop of a hat, outsource all their maintenance to foreign countries killing jobs at home. It still frosts me every time I fly thru HKIA and see 10 Delta and UA planes getting their heavy maintenance done there and no planes from other countries. The citizens of the USA need to wake up before they become completely overrun by corporations.

OK...there goes my daily rant
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Old Apr 17, 2014, 8:53 pm
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Originally Posted by travelinmanS
These airlines and congresspeople have no shame. The USA is turning into a disgusting country that treats it's citizens with contempt, similar to how the airlines treat their customers. Congress should be enacting laws that help citizens, not ones that help airlines who are happy to, at the drop of a hat, outsource all their maintenance to foreign countries killing jobs at home. It still frosts me every time I fly thru HKIA and see 10 Delta and UA planes getting their heavy maintenance done there and no planes from other countries. The citizens of the USA need to wake up before they become completely overrun by corporations.

OK...there goes my daily rant
Too late.
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Old Apr 17, 2014, 9:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Jerseyguy
When they see $250 for the airfare, click next and its suddenly $300, they realize that hey yeah, the goverments taking $50 from me (whether they think this is a reasonable fee for what the goverment does thats irrelevant). PS there is no misleading of the public by doing this, X is the amount charged by the airline Y is the amount charged by the goverment and the airports. Might be easier for the consumer but its unfair to the airline.
How is it unfair to the airline? All airlines are subject to the same regulations and the taxes are the same for all airlines.

Everyone is aware that airfare is taxed. That is just common sense. Anyone who wants to know how much the tax is can look at the receipt and see.
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Old Apr 17, 2014, 10:01 pm
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Originally Posted by cbn42
Everyone is aware that airfare is taxed.
Yep, most people are aware that airfare is taxed, but most people don't know how big that tax is and thats what the goverment is planning on.
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Old Apr 17, 2014, 11:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Jerseyguy
Yep, most people are aware that airfare is taxed, but most people don't know how big that tax is and thats what the goverment is planning on.
If the airlines want to let the passengers know how big that tax is, there is nothing stopping them.
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Old Apr 17, 2014, 11:46 pm
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U.S. Congressional Action to Change How Airfares are Advertised.

Interestingly, a thread just popped up in the MR forum (I think, can't tell for sure on mobile app) of Vietnam Airlines advertising something like USD$6 flights.

Comes out to over $100 after taxes, fees, and other charges for a short hop.
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Old Apr 18, 2014, 8:39 am
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Originally Posted by 1353513636
Can someone write a form letter against this legislation so that all (most) FT-ers can send to their Congress representatives?
Form letters, when they arrive in multiples, have little to no effect. Find out who your congressman is, write a three-sentence email (steal from the clear language in this thread if you have to), and hit send. Elapsed time: five minutes.
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Old Apr 18, 2014, 9:02 am
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Not A Fair Comparison: A Fare Comparison

Originally Posted by Jerseyguy
When i go buy a soda at 7-11, they tell me what they advertise the portion that they will keeping. They charge me that cost but also collect the sales tax of 7% to be sent to the state of New Jersey. It is not deceptive of them to tell me that a 20 oz bottle of soda is 1.79 and then want to collect from me 1.92. They are only charging me $1.79 . The .13 is the amount the state of NJ is charging me. Anything 7-11 is keeping should be in the advertised price any tax they are collecting need not be.
The soda story is a good one, but that is the same in my state: purchase the soda and the state sales tax is added. I know that that is.

However, with airline fares, ther are TSA charges, landing fees, fuel surcharges, government taxes, etc. Not telling us that the entire price is is deceptive and un-American.
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Old Apr 18, 2014, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Spiff
A poor idea. Total price should be required up-front. And "price each way based on round trip purchase" when one cannot get the same fare just one way should not be permitted.
No different than hotel advertising the price of a room "based on double occupancy". That should be banned also.
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Old Apr 18, 2014, 1:36 pm
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Originally Posted by travelinmanS
These airlines and congresspeople have no shame. The USA is turning into a disgusting country that treats it's citizens with contempt, similar to how the airlines treat their customers. Congress should be enacting laws that help citizens.............

OK...there goes my daily rant
Oh lordy lordy. Make this a socialist country, really?
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