Do you feel safe flying on a Russian carrier?
Nov 17, 2013, 10:54 pm
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True about the dash cams in the vehicles.
It was a B737. It was probably an older 737 that wasn't maintained well. Not just a Russian made airplane.
Nov 18, 2013, 7:59 pm
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I don't feel safe flying on a Russian Airline. A few years ago when looking for flights to Israel to visit family Aeroflot and Aerosvit came up as options before looking at their schedules I discounted them as I did not feel safe flying on them.
Nov 19, 2013, 12:14 am
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Aerosvit was Ukrainian.
Nov 19, 2013, 2:22 pm
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And let me guess, you'd ba happy for example to fly, Air France,... who have a far worse recent safety record than Aeroflot.
About the same time Aeroflot had their last fatal crash.
Nov 19, 2013, 3:41 pm
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Lufthansa's D-AIPN resulted in the loss of 4 lives. Aeroflot's SSSR-65058, F-OGQS, SSSR-47823, SSSR-87526, SSSR-46724, unknown, SSSR-46724, SSSR-85097, SSSR-87453, SSSR-86905, SSSR-78781, SSSR-65951 and VP-BKO resulted in the loss of 445 lives. Which is 100 more than the 345 lives lost on AF's F-GZCP, F-BTSC and F-GFKC.
Still it should be noted that SU in 2013 isn't the SU it was in 1990. And SU international isn't SU domestic. I'd happily fly SU if I could avoid transiting through SVO and having contact with any SU employees.
Nov 19, 2013, 4:30 pm
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2008 isn't "about the same time" as 1993 when a drunk pilot crashed his plane. The 1993 flight was due to a pilot handing the control of the plane to his 13 year old son.
Lufthansa's D-AIPN resulted in the loss of 4 lives. Aeroflot's SSSR-65058, F-OGQS, SSSR-47823, SSSR-87526, SSSR-46724, unknown, SSSR-46724, SSSR-85097, SSSR-87453, SSSR-86905, SSSR-78781, SSSR-65951 and VP-BKO resulted in the loss of 445 lives. Which is 100 more than the 345 lives lost on AF's F-GZCP, F-BTSC and F-GFKC..
Lufthansa's D-AIPN resulted in the loss of 4 lives. Aeroflot's SSSR-65058, F-OGQS, SSSR-47823, SSSR-87526, SSSR-46724, unknown, SSSR-46724, SSSR-85097, SSSR-87453, SSSR-86905, SSSR-78781, SSSR-65951 and VP-BKO resulted in the loss of 445 lives. Which is 100 more than the 345 lives lost on AF's F-GZCP, F-BTSC and F-GFKC..
Saying 2008 was Aeroflot (it was not!) is the same as saying BUF Colgan was Continental.
And sorry, but crashes during the Soviet times (ie. prior to 1992) have absolutely ZERO relevance to safety today.
Nov 19, 2013, 10:42 pm
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Did you not read my post where I quite clearly stated that SU of 1990ies wasn't SU today?
Nov 20, 2013, 9:47 am
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Nov 20, 2013, 6:54 pm
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PS: I think your effort to attack Russia failed.
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Nov 21, 2013, 6:33 am
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What is far more scary and never gets reported very widely is the amount of near misses in the USA, you could argue we have more traffic, we not compared to the number of planes per square mile as in Europe you dont. Flying in USA is pretty dangerous compared to other parts of the world when you dig into the real facts.
Nov 21, 2013, 2:52 pm
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What is far more scary and never gets reported very widely is the amount of near misses in the USA, you could argue we have more traffic, we not compared to the number of planes per square mile as in Europe you dont. Flying in USA is pretty dangerous compared to other parts of the world when you dig into the real facts.
Nov 21, 2013, 6:55 pm
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The conspiracy theories are starting, just like in the Smolensk crash that killed the Polish president and entourage in 2010:
http://streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=7818
That is no “wing grazing” caused by a lack of power on the second landing attempt. That is a vertical, uncontrolled power dive. No Boeing 737 has suffered a similar incident.
Note the flame on the right wing, possibly on or near the engine, which flares up right before impact. This, plus the fact that the initial stories are so contrary to the video evidence, plus the fact that the Russians rushed to rule out terrorism, makes me believe that it most likely was terrorism.
Tatarstan is a Muslim province. There have been signs of an incipient Muslim insurgency in the province. Notorious Chechen Islamist leader Doku Umarov has called for an uprising in the province. Islamic terrorists are looking to launch high visibility attacks in the lead up to Sochi. The head of the FSB in the region was on the plane, as was the son of the region’s president.
All of these conditions make terrorism plausible.
Note the flame on the right wing, possibly on or near the engine, which flares up right before impact. This, plus the fact that the initial stories are so contrary to the video evidence, plus the fact that the Russians rushed to rule out terrorism, makes me believe that it most likely was terrorism.
Tatarstan is a Muslim province. There have been signs of an incipient Muslim insurgency in the province. Notorious Chechen Islamist leader Doku Umarov has called for an uprising in the province. Islamic terrorists are looking to launch high visibility attacks in the lead up to Sochi. The head of the FSB in the region was on the plane, as was the son of the region’s president.
All of these conditions make terrorism plausible.