Banning Reclined Seats? The Age Old Question
Oct 3, 2013, 3:40 pm
#61
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- only someone completely ignorant would claim there was "nothing" rude about it. If you feel you have a right to use it simply because it exists then by all means go ahead, but by doing so you restrict my space so much I can often no longer move my legs and have to have my knees pressed against a hard surface unless I sit with my legs curled up on the seat. I'd love to hear your explanation as to how that isn't rude whatsoever?
the problem with your position/logic is that you think all of the space in front of you up to the back of my seat (unreclined) is "your" space. That's simply inaccurate. Those few inches that my seat reclines into actually are mine, since my seat uses that space when I recline (which is an expected and allowable function of the seat). Same with the space behind your seat; it belongs to you.
If you can't understand that, or don't like it, then you need to select a different seat (exit row, bulkhead, First class, etc) so that you're not affected by the completely normal and expected actions of others. Or maybe just stay home.
Oct 3, 2013, 6:46 pm
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We don't all were the same size shoes? Why do you think a fixed position seat would accomodate the comfort of everyone?
Differences in femur length, fibia/tibia length, torso length can make huge difference in comfort at different recline angles. Even for people with identical height will have a different preference for how much to recline.
Non reclining seats are a non-starter in the US market. Completely dead idea for long haul. First airline to try non recline on long haul would pay dearly as I'd never book them and I know I'm not alone.
Oct 3, 2013, 7:40 pm
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I'd guarantee that if a carrier went to non-recline seats but charged $75 less per seat, they'd fill the plane. There might not be a single FT-er on the flight, but they'd fill it.
Oct 3, 2013, 8:02 pm
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Hmmm, but ever notice how the budget airlines never last or have terrible reputations? Remember People's Express in the 80s? And more recently ATA? And now Spirit Airlines?
Oct 3, 2013, 8:51 pm
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Oct 3, 2013, 8:52 pm
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Allegiant says you're wrong, and given a look at their profits, I suspect they may be right for certain market segments.
Oct 3, 2013, 9:14 pm
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Airlines know full well that their product IS highly price sensitive. More legroom=fewer seats =higher fares. It's not the airlines' fault that passengers are rude. An ideal solution, which I would enact the second I become Queen of the Airline, is to make all coach seats non-reclining. No more arguments to referee, no more unexpected spills or damage to laptops. If you aren't comfy, bring a pillow, have a cocktail, take a pill. If you're too tall to fit in your seat, upgrade. PS: Flying is not a right; it's not a utility. It IS a privilege.
Oct 3, 2013, 9:57 pm
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Oct 3, 2013, 10:12 pm
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I do agree with you, however. ^
Oct 3, 2013, 10:13 pm
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The problem with your position/logic is that you think all of the space in front of you up to the back of my seat (unreclined) is "your" space. That's simply inaccurate. Those few inches that my seat reclines into actually are mine, since my seat uses that space when I recline (which is an expected and allowable function of the seat).
Oct 3, 2013, 10:57 pm
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Go do a quick seach on Allegiant and their customer service. It baits people with low fare and then gets them at the airport with fees for everything (like water).
Will never work for long haul international flights.
Oct 3, 2013, 11:31 pm
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Your long legs are your problem. They are not the problem of the person in front of you and it is not their duty to solve the problem for you. Get a seat where there is more leg room (bulkhead or aisle, or sit slightly sideways). If their seat is made to recline, the space into which it reclines is their space, not yours.
I would not expect to solve a space problem for a fat person (who may b e asked to purchase a second seat), nor would I expect to solve the problem your legs cause you.
I would not expect to solve a space problem for a fat person (who may b e asked to purchase a second seat), nor would I expect to solve the problem your legs cause you.
I do not "do" anything, other than sit down in my seat. Obviously I take an exit row whenever possible, but that isn't always the case. I haven't heard that tall people must buy a second seat [not that it would do any good
]. I never ask the person in front to put their seat back up, other than during meals, and then it is the FA who does it. You would be surprised how many people I see recline their seat and then NEVER lay back in it the whole flight!
Oct 4, 2013, 1:15 am
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Oct 4, 2013, 2:38 am
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This is how I see this:
Back when you could smoke in pubs, I never liked the smell. Having said that, I never questioned anyone's right to smoke in the pub. They were allowed, and therefore it was their entitlement to do so.
I made the decision to visit that pub as it was convenient for me. There was a non-smoking pub on the other side of town, but I chose not to use it. Therefore, whether or not the smoke irritated me or caused me pain, ultimately I made the decision to sit in that pub and I would never have dreamed of blaming the smokers who were doing what they were perfectly entitled to do; regardless of whether or not I agreed with it.
Same thing here. The person in front is perfectly entitled to recline their seat if it has a recline function. If I don't like that, I've got the choice to fly J or go with a LCC whose seats don't recline. The thought of jamming my legs into someone's seat to prevent them reclining their seat appears equivalent to me throwing a pint over a person smoking in the pub; blaming them for MY choice.
Back when you could smoke in pubs, I never liked the smell. Having said that, I never questioned anyone's right to smoke in the pub. They were allowed, and therefore it was their entitlement to do so.
I made the decision to visit that pub as it was convenient for me. There was a non-smoking pub on the other side of town, but I chose not to use it. Therefore, whether or not the smoke irritated me or caused me pain, ultimately I made the decision to sit in that pub and I would never have dreamed of blaming the smokers who were doing what they were perfectly entitled to do; regardless of whether or not I agreed with it.
Same thing here. The person in front is perfectly entitled to recline their seat if it has a recline function. If I don't like that, I've got the choice to fly J or go with a LCC whose seats don't recline. The thought of jamming my legs into someone's seat to prevent them reclining their seat appears equivalent to me throwing a pint over a person smoking in the pub; blaming them for MY choice.