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WBrinegar Sep 4, 2013 8:53 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 21390879)
Wow. Just wow.

I'm sorry. You've lost all credibility with this. Someone is rude to your family so you falsely accuse him of a crime? Really?

I no longer believe your version of what happened and I sincerely hope I never encounter your family on a flight. I think it's very clear what kind of passengers you are and would be. I also hope that, if you ever try this kind of a stupid, immature stunt, the subject of your incredibly damaging defamation sues you for everything you're worth. Hell, I'd handle his case pro bono.

Unbelievable.

No. I wasn't onboard at all. We are excellent passengers, and are constantly complimented on our child's behavior.

What's the difference between 1K's behavior expecting that I will cause a problem just based on preconceived notions and expectations and FORCING me to be moved when I have not done a damn thing to deserve it? There's enough Jersey in me that I'd go ballistic.

People have been booted off planes for less...

etch5895 Sep 4, 2013 9:12 pm


Originally Posted by WBrinegar (Post 21390921)
There's enough Jersey in me that I'd go ballistic.

Well, there's 20 years of Jersey in me, including birth.

Think about what you are saying and what could happen to someone you falsely accuse of threatening your kid...

They could be assaulted by other vigilante passengers.

They could lose their job if their boss finds out (there was a story on FT of a DYKWIA who lost his job over an actual incident like this), even if it isn't true.

They could be put on a no fly list or be barred by the airline, which depending upon where they live could be very damaging if it is the only airline in town.

Do you really want to be responsible for potentially ruining someone's life simply because they happen to be boorish by making up a story about them that is completely false?

abmj-jr Sep 4, 2013 9:16 pm

OP, it is not the righteous outrage you felt at your family's treatment that caused the change of attitude here. It was your suggestion that you would have resorted to a lie, a false accusation of criminal behavior, to get your way. Sorry, but like many here I was on your side up until then. Now, not so much.

Despicable behavior is never "right."

thumbun Sep 4, 2013 9:21 pm

Rant: To Mr. L - Seated in First Class
 
As others have said, wow!!! I too now think there is some BS going on here. To actually admit that you would falsely accuse someone of something so heinous is very troubling. You had me squarely in your camp with the original post, and I'm one who believes lap kids should be banned in ALL classes of travel. Now, I'm thinking we are not getting the full story.

WBrinegar Sep 4, 2013 9:23 pm

Rant: To Mr. L - Seated in First Class
 
Probably not in reality. Solo, I probably would have had some choice words and tell him to get stuffed. But being fiercely protective of my spouse and knowing that people take advantage of her due to her youthful appearance, and her non confrontational nature, who knows? Could Monday morning QB this to death...

invisible Sep 4, 2013 9:34 pm


Originally Posted by WBrinegar (Post 21390814)
All I would have had to do was just hint that 1K had threatened under his breath to slap my child if she caused a scene - and I'm sure action would have been taken.

Note to self for future: avoid seating next to parent with child for the reason above. You have no idea what might go in their minds.


Originally Posted by WBrinegar (Post 21391046)
But being fiercely protective of my spouse and knowing that people take advantage of her due to her youthful appearance

Term 'fiercely protective' most cases involves no critical thinking or reasoning. I understand emotions involved, but again, I would choose not to be near around such people for the reason above.

obscure2k Sep 4, 2013 9:40 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 21390879)
Wow. Just wow.

I'm sorry. You've lost all credibility with this. Someone is rude to your family so you falsely accuse him of a crime? Really?

I no longer believe your version of what happened and I sincerely hope I never encounter your family on a flight. I think it's very clear what kind of passengers you are and would be. I also hope that, if you ever try this kind of a stupid, immature stunt, the subject of your incredibly damaging defamation sues you for everything you're worth. Hell, I'd handle his case pro bono.

Unbelievable.

Sorry, PTravel, your well-known hostility towards children has denied you some credibility here. I am speaking as a private FT poster. Ironic that you are accusing the OP for being less than credible on this issue. @:-)

WBrinegar Sep 4, 2013 9:46 pm


Originally Posted by thumbun (Post 21391038)
As others have said, wow!!! I too now think there is some BS going on here. To actually admit that you would falsely accuse someone of something so heinous, is very troubling. You had me squarely in your camp with the original post, and I'm one who believes lap kids should be banned in ALL classes of travel. Now, I'm thinking we are not getting the full story.

Story hasn't changed. Facts on the story are square on. No BS here.

Ok - poor choice on my part for a hypothetical if it was me situation... I am a flyer who gives up my preferred seat to those who want to sit together, let people go first, put my carry on under the seat in front of me. I commute 2200 miles every Monday / Thursday to work.

Public decency and courtesy overall has been thrown out the window by humanity as evidenced by the treatment of my wife and child.

Again - I wasn't on the plane, had no opportunity to resolve the situation in person, and just disappointed in how the situation was handled. 1K should not have demanded she be moved for his own prejudice and I'm disappointed in UA for their poor handling.

Nothing else to say.

Sorry for the poor choice in my hypothetical.

invisible Sep 4, 2013 9:48 pm


Originally Posted by invisible (Post 21388300)
I have a feeling that this thread is going towards 'kid hater', 'screamer' and other name calling quite soon...

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Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 21390879)
I'm sorry. You've lost all credibility with this.

Unbelievable.


Originally Posted by thumbun (Post 21391038)
As others have said, wow!!! I too now think there is some BS going on here. Now, I'm thinking we are not getting the full story.



Originally Posted by obscure2k (Post 21391100)
Sorry, PTravel, your well-known hostility towards children has denied you some credibility here.

It just took five pages.

I need to start playing lotto.

PTravel Sep 4, 2013 10:16 pm


Originally Posted by MW147 (Post 21390904)
Except - it sounds like 1K did NOT ask to be re-seated. He demanded that the mom and kid be moved. And he got his way, which is the part I find offensive.

I wasn't agreeing with the described conduct of 1K though, as I've noted in a later post, I no longer believe that's what happened.

WBrinegar Sep 4, 2013 10:18 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 21391247)
I wasn't agreeing with the described conduct of 1K though, as I've noted in a later post, I no longer believe that's what happened.

Unless magic put my wife in 4D, when her boarding pass said 1L - cant imagine why that's so hard to believe.

PTravel Sep 4, 2013 10:19 pm


Originally Posted by WBrinegar (Post 21390921)
No. I wasn't onboard at all. We are excellent passengers, and are constantly complimented on our child's behavior.

What's the difference between 1K's behavior expecting that I will cause a problem just based on preconceived notions and expectations and FORCING me to be moved when I have not done a damn thing to deserve it? There's enough Jersey in me that I'd go ballistic.

People have been booted off planes for less...

Do you seriously need to have the difference between a pax anticipating a disturbance from a lap toddler and falsely telling an FA that a pax threatened to hit your daughter explained to you? There's enough Jersey in you to falsely accuse someone of a crime to get your way? Who are you, Tony Soprano?

skimthetrees Sep 4, 2013 10:25 pm


Originally Posted by sanfran8080 (Post 21388866)
Children belong in the back of the plane. That's why god invented coach.

There is no god so obviously it couldn't have invented coach, and young children belong with their parents no matter where they sit.

BadgerBoi Sep 4, 2013 10:26 pm


Originally Posted by WBrinegar (Post 21391259)
Unless magic put my wife in 4D, when her boarding pass said 1L - cant imagine why that's so hard to believe.

I can't speak for the other poster, but I'm wondering what really happened between the time your wife and child boarded the aircraft and sat in 1L and then ended up in 4D. You've made it clear that you would have been prepared to lie to the FA, why wouldn't you lie to the FT audience about what happened in between?

Count me amongst those who were sympathetic towards you until you made it clear that you'd lie to get your own back at the oaf in 1K.

WBrinegar Sep 4, 2013 10:26 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 21391261)
Do you seriously need to have the difference between a pax anticipating a disturbance from a lap toddler and falsely telling an FA that a pax threatened to hit your daughter explained to you? There's enough Jersey in you to falsely accuse someone of a crime to get your way? Who are you, Tony Soprano?

Nope. Admittedly wrong choice of a HYPOTHETICAL response.


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