Will you *not* visit or transit a place because of its laws?
#46
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Hm, there was not a single reply in the tread from females regarding visiting India.
For my wife that country is permanently off the list now despite wanted to see it for a while.
For my wife that country is permanently off the list now despite wanted to see it for a while.
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Not retaliation like Brazil's little folly several years ago (now stopped).
Malaysia is the newest member of this disgraceful club. It happened in the last couple of years, I believe. I'm glad I had a chance to see KUL before this crap went down.
Japan and Korea are just aping the USA. Argentina claims it's for easier customs processing, but the reasoning is irrelevant to me. I'm happy spending my money in her sensible next-door neighbor, Chile.
Malaysia is the newest member of this disgraceful club. It happened in the last couple of years, I believe. I'm glad I had a chance to see KUL before this crap went down.
Japan and Korea are just aping the USA. Argentina claims it's for easier customs processing, but the reasoning is irrelevant to me. I'm happy spending my money in her sensible next-door neighbor, Chile.
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I'll take the same precautions I always do - anywhere.
Could something bad happen? Yes, but it could happen to me here at home, too. Could the justice system in India fail me? Yes, but it could also fail me here at home.
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I won't travel to or through Argentina because of the First Temporary Provision of its Constitution and what it stands for:
"First.- The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas (sic), Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory.
The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people."
"First.- The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas (sic), Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory.
The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people."
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Regarding India, nothing has changed except the amount of national and international publicity given to violent sex crimes. There has always been an undercurrent of sexism, violence and corruption there and it has not got suddenly worse just because the western media has started to highlight it. There was something of an over-romantic view of India before, but if you would visit there before the shocking sex crimes hit the headlines, there's no need to change now.
If anything has changed, it's for the better, now that there has been such national shame over these horrible crimes. However nothing changes quickly in India.
If anything has changed, it's for the better, now that there has been such national shame over these horrible crimes. However nothing changes quickly in India.
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This one is interesting, in that it feels like such a remote / unreal / intangible possibility that it lately has never affected anyon
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Frankly, US attitudes on this leave a lot to be desired too. Even our female service members are getting raped and sexually assaulted by their fellow soldiers and the chain of command does virtually nothing to stop it. The man who was promoted to a position to address the matter a year or so ago recently got charged with sexual assault himself.
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I assume, but I'm sure rmb.flk will answer for himself, that a country that has a threat of invading the place you live inscribed in it's constitution is not really very attractive to visit.
Having had the privilege of visiting the wonderful Falkland Islands (and the pleasure of having a few beers with rmb.flk!) I have been following the issue for a while. I wouldn't visit Argentina either, and I avoid buying products imported from there.
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Laws and regulations of some places do result in my shifting away from the place as destination or transit point for some purposes -- shifted mainly because of the hassles that the government in the country being (somewhat avoided) may thrust upon passengers. That could be anything ranging from "additional" or "random" "security" screenings at airports to the potential host country facilitating assassinations or sending people to third countries to get tortured.
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Regarding India, nothing has changed except the amount of national and international publicity given to violent sex crimes. There has always been an undercurrent of sexism, violence and corruption there and it has not got suddenly worse just because the western media has started to highlight it. There was something of an over-romantic view of India before, but if you would visit there before the shocking sex crimes hit the headlines, there's no need to change now.
If anything has changed, it's for the better, now that there has been such national shame over these horrible crimes. However nothing changes quickly in India.
If anything has changed, it's for the better, now that there has been such national shame over these horrible crimes. However nothing changes quickly in India.
Sexual assault of women -- domestic and/or foreign -- by non-relatives has almost certainly skyrocketed in India since media rules were relaxed in India; and such sexual assault risks for women have gotten worse in India as: rural-urban and other domestic migration has increased; traditional extended family and other hierarchical community structures got displaced; state TV lost most of its marketshare to private channel and cable/satellite operators; Indian and foreign movies playing in India got more "sexual"; and mobile phone and computer internet porn use has increased. Economic and social liberalization has positive aspects, but some of that comes with negative aspects too.
Educated women in Indian workplaces, for example, are far more likely to face risk of being sexually assaulted on the way to/from work or of being sexually harassed at work now than even ten or twenty years ago. The culture has changed tremendously since the 1990s, but not all for the better in terms of safety. The crime problem in India has changed with changing cultural/demographic patterns and done so very quickly; however, disappearing the negative aspects of those changes won't happen anytime soon.
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On the flip side, if you visit Israel to work with their burgeoning tech sector, once you have that Israel stamp on your passport, they won't let you into Saudi Arabia. That's where you have to do a "whoops, lost my passport, I need an emergency replacement" maneuver. Fortunately, I don't work in the energy sector, or that could get annoying fast.