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Will you *not* visit or transit a place because of its laws?

Will you *not* visit or transit a place because of its laws?

Old Jun 25, 2013, 11:02 pm
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Originally Posted by invisible
Well, if less people want go to the places I also want to go while not bothering about fingerprinting or other stuff - better for me.
Indeed. And while you're off to those disgraceful nations who unnecessarily collect biometric data, we won't be competing for upgrades.

(Alas, I am willing to connect in NRT or ICN so it's not a panache...)
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Old Jun 25, 2013, 11:54 pm
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Hm, there was not a single reply in the tread from females regarding visiting India.

For my wife that country is permanently off the list now despite wanted to see it for a while.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 12:09 am
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Originally Posted by Spiff
Not retaliation like Brazil's little folly several years ago (now stopped).

Malaysia is the newest member of this disgraceful club. It happened in the last couple of years, I believe. I'm glad I had a chance to see KUL before this crap went down.

Japan and Korea are just aping the USA. Argentina claims it's for easier customs processing, but the reasoning is irrelevant to me. I'm happy spending my money in her sensible next-door neighbor, Chile.
TBH I may have been fingerprinted in Malaysia I really just don't recall. I know my entry there has always been easy, as have my numerous transits. I've never had the feeling that they were hostile towards me just for visiting. And I really don't blame anywhere for retaliating - I suffer it myself, for example a visa for me to visit Turkey is very expensive (I think treble the cost than for an EU passport holder) due to the amount that my own country charges Turks for a visa to visit here. And fair enough.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 12:23 am
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Originally Posted by invisible
Hm, there was not a single reply in the tread from females regarding visiting India.

For my wife that country is permanently off the list now despite wanted to see it for a while.
Which Indian law bothers her?
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 12:26 am
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Originally Posted by Koby
Which Indian law bothers her?
This is not about their law. But rather luck of enforcing it. Regarding rapists and attitude in the country which blames rape victims for being raped.

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Old Jun 26, 2013, 12:27 am
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Originally Posted by invisible
Hm, there was not a single reply in the tread from females regarding visiting India.

For my wife that country is permanently off the list now despite wanted to see it for a while.
I've been to India twice and will probably go again this year.

I'll take the same precautions I always do - anywhere.

Could something bad happen? Yes, but it could happen to me here at home, too. Could the justice system in India fail me? Yes, but it could also fail me here at home.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 12:36 am
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Originally Posted by rmb.flk
I won't travel to or through Argentina because of the First Temporary Provision of its Constitution and what it stands for:

"First.- The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas (sic), Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory.

The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people."
This one is interesting, in that it feels like such a remote / unreal / intangible possibility that it lately has never affected anyone. Correct me if I'm wrong? You feel very strongly despite that?
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 12:37 am
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Regarding India, nothing has changed except the amount of national and international publicity given to violent sex crimes. There has always been an undercurrent of sexism, violence and corruption there and it has not got suddenly worse just because the western media has started to highlight it. There was something of an over-romantic view of India before, but if you would visit there before the shocking sex crimes hit the headlines, there's no need to change now.

If anything has changed, it's for the better, now that there has been such national shame over these horrible crimes. However nothing changes quickly in India.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 12:41 am
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This one is interesting, in that it feels like such a remote / unreal / intangible possibility that it lately has never affected anyon
At least it's an ongoing reality rather than a knee jerk reaction to this weeks headlines.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 1:14 am
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Originally Posted by invisible
This is not about their law. But rather luck of enforcing it. Regarding rapers and attitude in the country which blames rape victims for being raped.
Frankly, US attitudes on this leave a lot to be desired too. Even our female service members are getting raped and sexually assaulted by their fellow soldiers and the chain of command does virtually nothing to stop it. The man who was promoted to a position to address the matter a year or so ago recently got charged with sexual assault himself.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 3:21 am
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Originally Posted by TA
This one is interesting, in that it feels like such a remote / unreal / intangible possibility that it lately has never affected anyone. Correct me if I'm wrong? You feel very strongly despite that?

I assume, but I'm sure rmb.flk will answer for himself, that a country that has a threat of invading the place you live inscribed in it's constitution is not really very attractive to visit.

Having had the privilege of visiting the wonderful Falkland Islands (and the pleasure of having a few beers with rmb.flk!) I have been following the issue for a while. I wouldn't visit Argentina either, and I avoid buying products imported from there.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 4:44 am
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Laws and regulations of some places do result in my shifting away from the place as destination or transit point for some purposes -- shifted mainly because of the hassles that the government in the country being (somewhat avoided) may thrust upon passengers. That could be anything ranging from "additional" or "random" "security" screenings at airports to the potential host country facilitating assassinations or sending people to third countries to get tortured.
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 5:02 am
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Originally Posted by mandolino
Regarding India, nothing has changed except the amount of national and international publicity given to violent sex crimes. There has always been an undercurrent of sexism, violence and corruption there and it has not got suddenly worse just because the western media has started to highlight it. There was something of an over-romantic view of India before, but if you would visit there before the shocking sex crimes hit the headlines, there's no need to change now.

If anything has changed, it's for the better, now that there has been such national shame over these horrible crimes. However nothing changes quickly in India.
I don't buy that last paragraph's first sentence.

Sexual assault of women -- domestic and/or foreign -- by non-relatives has almost certainly skyrocketed in India since media rules were relaxed in India; and such sexual assault risks for women have gotten worse in India as: rural-urban and other domestic migration has increased; traditional extended family and other hierarchical community structures got displaced; state TV lost most of its marketshare to private channel and cable/satellite operators; Indian and foreign movies playing in India got more "sexual"; and mobile phone and computer internet porn use has increased. Economic and social liberalization has positive aspects, but some of that comes with negative aspects too.

Educated women in Indian workplaces, for example, are far more likely to face risk of being sexually assaulted on the way to/from work or of being sexually harassed at work now than even ten or twenty years ago. The culture has changed tremendously since the 1990s, but not all for the better in terms of safety. The crime problem in India has changed with changing cultural/demographic patterns and done so very quickly; however, disappearing the negative aspects of those changes won't happen anytime soon.

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Old Jun 26, 2013, 6:06 am
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Originally Posted by invisible
This is not about their law. But rather luck of enforcing it.
Thread title: "Will you *not* visit or transit a place because of its laws?"
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Old Jun 26, 2013, 7:32 am
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Originally Posted by DesertNomad
Israel - I don't need a three hour interrogation. My passport contains stamps and visas from Iran, Sudan, Yemen and various other Middle Eastern countries. I am sure Israel would give me a hard time.
On the flip side, if you visit Israel to work with their burgeoning tech sector, once you have that Israel stamp on your passport, they won't let you into Saudi Arabia. That's where you have to do a "whoops, lost my passport, I need an emergency replacement" maneuver. Fortunately, I don't work in the energy sector, or that could get annoying fast.
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