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Badenoch Oct 24, 2018 5:55 pm


Originally Posted by o mikros (Post 30349550)
Yes, it has been discussed here before. Yes, it's a selfish choice, just like any choice is when one makes a preferred selection in a first-come-first-served world. You could make your "picture the guy forced to select only middles" argument against selecting a window or aisle in the first place, so the logic there is flawed. Yes, the guy may be unlucky and not pick the seat between me and my wife (so he never knows what could have been) or he picks that one and gets an "upgrade" to a window or aisle.

This really feels like a non-issue to me.

There's nothing selfish about it. The seats are available and open to being booked by anyone. Booking a window and aisle and hoping for the best is standard practice for my wife and me. I am not bothered in the slightest if the self-appointed hall monitors consider it ill-mannered.

And as someone who has been assigned a middle-seat only to find it was between a couple that had booked aisle and window I was more than happy to take my impromptu "upgrade."

rickg523 Oct 24, 2018 6:01 pm


Originally Posted by ft101 (Post 30351193)
But not to those with manners and consideration for others. Unfortunately that's not the world many live in nowadays.

If I and my wife book two aisles across from each other, are we violating courtesy by not sitting on the same side of the aircraft and gaming the system by sitting "together" while not taking a middle?

catcher1 Oct 24, 2018 6:53 pm


Originally Posted by rickg523 (Post 30352598)
If I and my wife book two aisles across from each other, are we violating courtesy by not sitting on the same side of the aircraft and gaming the system by sitting "together" while not taking a middle?

Of course it isn't a violation of courtesy or anything else. If my wife and I are in the main cabin we generally take aisle-across seats.

rickg523 Oct 24, 2018 8:33 pm


Originally Posted by catcher1 (Post 30352715)
Of course it isn't a violation of courtesy or anything else. If my wife and I are in the main cabin we generally take aisle-across seats.

Well, I don't think so either obviously. But what's the difference between taking two desirable seats separated by an aisle and two desirable seats separated by a not so desirable seat. I don't get the idea that if two people are booking together and one doesn't book the undesirable seat it's considered by some to be discourteous or selfish.

Segments Oct 25, 2018 3:39 am


Originally Posted by rickg523 (Post 30352962)
Well, I don't think so either obviously. But what's the difference between taking two desirable seats separated by an aisle and two desirable seats separated by a not so desirable seat. I don't get the idea that if two people are booking together and one doesn't book the undesirable seat it's considered by some to be discourteous or selfish.

The difference as many see it is intention.

Two pax booking adjacent aisles don’t intend to move. They recognize that aisles may not line up perfectly, they can’t hold hands or be constantly passing things back and forth due to normal aisle traffic. Same for those who book two windows.

Two pax booking aisle and window window leaving the middle seat open intend to sit together more often than not. Or be a pest to the middle seat occupant by holding conversations, passing items, or otherwise being discourteous. Those who book with this intention are usually the same ones who request seat swaps so they can stay with their SO when last minute bookings mean they’re not in the same row. If you can’t bear to be separated, then book adjacent seats.



pepe C Oct 25, 2018 4:01 am


Originally Posted by rickg523 (Post 30352962)
But what's the difference between taking two desirable seats separated by an aisle and two desirable seats separated by a not so desirable seat.

The difference is that nobody sits in the aisle.
When you reserve two aisle seats you reserve two seats. When you reserve an aisle and a window you try to reserve three seats.

ft101 Oct 25, 2018 5:08 am


Originally Posted by rickg523 (Post 30352598)
If I and my wife book two aisles across from each other, are we violating courtesy by not sitting on the same side of the aircraft and gaming the system by sitting "together" while not taking a middle?

Not at all, it's a completely diffferent scenario from booking an aisle and a window as posted above as others mention.

It shouldn't need a "hall monitor" to let someone know their behaviour is boorish, but once pointed out it takes a certain kind of bad manners to continue.

ravenalive Oct 25, 2018 7:08 am


Originally Posted by Segments (Post 30353853)




Two pax booking aisle and window window leaving the middle seat open intend to sit together more often than not.



my wife and i do this all the time. She prefers window, I prefer aisle. We don’t pass things back and forth or have conversations over whoever is in the middle.

Old Hickory Oct 25, 2018 7:19 am


Originally Posted by ravenalive (Post 30354345)


my wife and i do this all the time. She prefers window, I prefer aisle. We don’t pass things back and forth or have conversations over whoever is in the middle.

Right. You're the only one(s).

Qwkynuf Oct 25, 2018 6:40 pm


Originally Posted by ravenalive (Post 30354345)


my wife and i do this all the time. She prefers window, I prefer aisle. We don’t pass things back and forth or have conversations over whoever is in the middle.


Originally Posted by Old Hickory (Post 30354374)
Right. You're the only one(s).

My wife and I do it too, and for exactly the same reason. It has nothing to do with who might or might not sit between us, and everything to do with our individual comfort. She is more comfortable at the window, I prefer the aisle. If we were both window people, I would book us in consecutive rows, or at opposite ends of the same row.

secondsoprano Oct 25, 2018 7:01 pm

So now we are having the same pointless conversation across two threads!

The Official Rules* are, a couple may freely book a window and aisle in the hope of having the middle free, provided that if they are unlucky and the middle seat is assigned:

(a) They ask politely if the middle seat occupant would mind switching
(b) The switch is entirely at the discretion of the middle seat occupant (ie they may choose to switch to window or aisle, or not switch at all). The requesters must accept this decision as final without protests, eyeroll, DYKWIA or similar behaviour.
(c) If the middle seat occupant declines to switch, the aisle/window occupants must under no circumstances chat, pass things, intrude on the middle space or in any way make the middle seat occupant uncomfortable.
(d) Also, the middle seat occupant may not "punish" the requesters if for some bizarre reason think they hold the high moral ground and/or the requesters are breaking some sort of sacred moral code (they aren't). No belching, grunting, spreading, snoring, getting up 15 times for the loo etc. Just behave like a normal decent person already.

(*According to me, and all sensible people)

Now, stop it, and get a life, you people.

Sopwith Oct 25, 2018 7:27 pm

Mrs Sopwith and I have done the aisle/window seat choice a few times. As long as airlines persist in charging for seat selection (directly or indirectly) I'm going to select what we want from among what is available at the time. And we don't offer to switch because that wasn't the point. We do tend to minimize crosstalk and passing things, but I don't see it as any different than a FA passing things back and forth across two seats.

If someone is unlucky enough to get the seat between us, that comes with the territory as far as I'm concerned. Next time pay the $ to select a seat, or book earlier if you have to.

We've also done the two adjacent aisle seat choice a few times and feel the same way. If they're available we'll take them without compunction if that's what we want.

I've put up with enough crap from other rowdy groups who heckle each other over two or three rows, stand in the aisle to chat with the person next to me or across from me with their butt in my nose, kids kicking my seatback, etc. I don't need any more crap from people who are offended when we sit quietly one seat apart.

zitsky Oct 25, 2018 7:34 pm

You might sit quietly, but you sure seem to have an attitude about it.

Sopwith Oct 25, 2018 10:21 pm


Originally Posted by zitsky (Post 30356990)
You might sit quietly, but you sure seem to have an attitude about it.

You want attitude, here it is: the worst thing about flying these days is that they let other people onto the airplane. ;)

rickg523 Oct 25, 2018 10:29 pm


Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 30357388)

You want attitude, here it is: the worst thing about flying these days is that they let other people onto the airplane. ;)

Hell is other people!
- JP Sartre, "No Exit"


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