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Originally Posted by FlyingDiver
(Post 20630294)
So what are your calculations on the amount of force holding it closed, if it was opened (and shut) at altitude?
Vacuum containers and wine bottles don't have 4psi difference with that large a surface area holding them shut. |
Originally Posted by FlyingDiver
(Post 20630227)
You sure about that? That would be about 4psi times the surface area of the container, which could easily be 40in^2 or 160 pounds pressure to open it. Or something like that, I'm too lazy to do the calcs right now.
Turns out I opened my other watertight box while in the air too, but I'm probably just going to wait that one out instead of breaking. Also stuck, so it's definitely the pressure. |
You only need to create a tiny gap between the o-ring and the case for a fraction of a second to equalize the pressure because the volume of air inside the case is so small. With no knowledge of the particular case it's hard to say how to accomplish that. But whatever works, and hammer it is. :)
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Originally Posted by exmidex
(Post 20630352)
... unless you want me to believe this company has designed a camera case with a latch that can support my entire body weight.
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Originally Posted by TA
(Post 20630159)
congratulations on getting it out.
But why do you think the company owes you a refund or new case? It did exactly what it was supposed to do. You were the one who sealed it while on an airplane... The "use case" you're suggesting they should warrant / warn against is opening and closing it at altitude. How would the product work if it didn't behave as it did? |
Originally Posted by Bobster
(Post 20630495)
You only need to create a tiny gap between the o-ring and the case for a fraction of a second to equalize the pressure because the volume of air inside the case is so small. With no knowledge of the particular case it's hard to say how to accomplish that. But whatever works, and hammer it is. :)
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Late to the party but most of these cases do not seal plastic to plastic so you can insert a flat head screw driver and turn it. It will mar the case a bit but that will break the seal. Conversely if you have wide stiff piece of metal like a pry bar you can put that in between and pry it open which will distribute the force and less chance of the case being marred.
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Originally Posted by FlyingUnderTheRadar
(Post 20632220)
Late to the party but most of these cases do not seal plastic to plastic so you can insert a flat head screw driver and turn it.
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I had an Olympus semi weathertight (not underwater like some of them, but snow and rain proof) point and shoot film camera that had a clamshell case with full Oring. I changed the film at altitude in the plane. Later I had a HECK of a time opening it at sea level, just like the OP. I finally figured out the pressure was keeping it shut and managed to twist the case enough to warp open the Oring seal and let in air.
Originally Posted by TA
(Post 20630031)
that's a good idea. Would likely have to be a slightly higher than normal flight though, training flights are usually not that high unless stall training or something like that.
Originally Posted by exmidex
(Post 20630283)
Makes you wonder how those vacuum food containers and wine bottle corks ever caught on, huh?
Originally Posted by ozdude
(Post 20630691)
I don't think it's reasonable to assume that the average person understands the effects of pressure changes while flying. I think it's a fair point.
The Fasten Seatbelt and Turn Of Electronics warnings are at 10K feet. Since the cabin is at about 8K pressure altitude, I finish the water and tightly cap the bottle and place it in my lap or on the tray table. Sure enough right about 8K feet the bottle starts imploding and by about 1K feet is really smashed. Nonscientific seatmates watch the slow motion crush and have to ask “Why is that bottle doing that?” I tell them the bottle is my Poor Man’s Passenger Altitude Indicator. :D |
Try any high end restaurant. Most of them now have chamber vacuum sealers for Sous Vide cooking
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Originally Posted by Flaflyer
(Post 20633620)
I amuse myself and fellow pax by keeping a pint disposable water bottle at my seat. I carry an empty one through TSA and fill it airside or in the plane to have my own supply esp. on long transocean flights.
The Fasten Seatbelt and Turn Of Electronics warnings are at 10K feet. Since the cabin is at about 8K pressure altitude, I finish the water and tightly cap the bottle and place it in my lap or on the tray table. Sure enough right about 8K feet the bottle starts imploding and by about 1K feet is really smashed. Nonscientific seatmates watch the slow motion crush and have to ask “Why is that bottle doing that?” I tell them the bottle is my Poor Man’s Passenger Altitude Indicator. :D |
Originally Posted by disalex
(Post 20635148)
Try any high end restaurant. Most of them now have chamber vacuum sealers for Sous Vide cooking
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Originally Posted by nux
(Post 20638015)
But if you put it inside a vacuum chamber, how will you then open the case once its under vacuum?
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Take some bubble wrap on a flight. I'm sure it won't explode because they use it for shipping stuff all the time. But you should feel a few more pounds of pressure when you test it by squeezing.
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The case wouldn't happen to be one of these inexpensive Case Logic boxes from Walmart, would it?
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Case-Logic.../21671991?_mm= I've got one of those, and I can see where it might be difficult to pop the seal if the interior got depressurized. The bottom plastic half has aan edge which presses into the soft rubber gasket in the top half, but the top half has a lip which overlaps the gasket so you can't stick anything in between the halves to break the seal. And because of the lip, the two halves wouldn't slide sideways, even if you pop the hinges and latches off. A nice problem, as they say. If my camera got stuck in that box, I'd probably take a drill to it rather than a hammer; with a drill and a small bit, I could control direction, but hammering on the outside risks translating the impact to the camera inside. At least, if the box in question actually IS one like mine, because mine is only padded on one side, not the other, so impacts translate to the camera quite readily.
Originally Posted by nux
(Post 20638015)
But if you put it inside a vacuum chamber, how will you then open the case once its under vacuum?
Originally Posted by Bobster
(Post 20642405)
Take some bubble wrap on a flight. I'm sure it won't explode because they use it for shipping stuff all the time. But you should feel a few more pounds of pressure when you test it by squeezing.
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