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RoyalFlush Mar 25, 2013 3:19 am

Unsafe electrical socket in hotel room
 
See the photo. This is at an undisclosed major chain in an undisclosed major city (of course, on the Hotel Row).

This could maim, kill, cause a fire, etc. No amount of reward loyalty points could compensate for that.

I will show this photo to the GM when he arrives later this morning.

My question to the FT community; what would you all do? I'm one night into a two night stay.

http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4c7b26a9.jpg

lwildernorva Mar 25, 2013 3:44 am

I wouldn't wait for the GM. Although glaringly obvious in your photo, this is the kind of problem that I would expect hotel maids would easily overlook. It is indeed dangerous, and it needs to be fixed ASAP. Report it to the front desk immediately so that maintenance can be sent to fix the problem. Unless the hotel can assure you that the problem will be fixed immediately, I would expect them to relocate you to another room.

I wouldn't think that this is the result of lax maintenance at the hotel, however, but rather the action of an earlier guest who didn't bother to report the problem that he caused when the prongs separated from the plug or who may have even been unaware of the problem himself until the next time he tried to use the plug and found he only had one prong (and now we have one of the reasons why electrical manufacturers tell you not to yank a plug from a receptacle by the cord). How closely do we check all of the electrical outlets in our homes on a regular basis? If you knew that the problem had been reported and not fixed, then you'd perhaps have a reason to ask the hotel or its loyalty program for some form of compensation. Won't hurt to ask anyway, but I wouldn't be surprised if the request was declined.

uszkanni Mar 25, 2013 3:57 am

I would think that a call to the front desk to have someone from maintenance come up and pull out the broken prong would suffice. If the socket has been damaged, or they think it has, then they should turn off the breaker that controls that socket. That may affect other outlets or lights and if doing so inconveniences you - or if you're just uncomfortable with the whole situation - ask to switch rooms. If you're really concerned, ask for one on a floor below the one you're currently on and near a stairwell on the opposite side of the hotel. But that's getting pretty paranoid.

slawecki Mar 25, 2013 7:18 am


Originally Posted by RoyalFlush (Post 20477694)
See the photo. This is at an undisclosed major chain in an undisclosed major city (of course, on the Hotel Row).

This could maim, kill, cause a fire, etc. No amount of reward loyalty points could compensate for that.

I will show this photo to the GM when he arrives later this morning.

My question to the FT community; what would you all do? I'm one night into a two night stay.

http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4c7b26a9.jpg


just call the front desk and tell them to send up a maintenance guy to fix it. you think you should move to a different hotel? different city? different state? call the fire dept?

the front desk might even send up a maid to do the nasty job. i gather someone yanked the cord, upward, and the prong came out.

sounds like you are a compensation fisher. maybe you want a month in a lux suite in their best hotel for comp. you should get nothing but fast service from maintenance. everybody wants comp.

backprop Mar 25, 2013 7:18 am

I agree with the two posters above; however, immediately it is not a direct hazard, as the prong is stuck in the neutral side of the outlet. This is at the same potential as ground and will not cause a shock, fire, etc.

gfunkdave Mar 25, 2013 7:25 am

So instead of calling the front desk to send someone up with a pair of insulated pliers, your first course of action is to complain on FT? :rolleyes:

Though, as pointed out previously, the prong is stuck in the neutral side. You could pull it out bare handed since neutral is the same potential as ground.

cordelli Mar 25, 2013 7:26 am

Assuming the plug was wired correctly, that's the neutral side and there is little danger of anything happening unless you unwind a paper clip, stick it in the other side, and touch the part sticking out.

Even if the plug was wired in reverse, there's still not much that can go wrong as it is.

There is little chance of it maiming anybody, starting a fire, or killing anybody unless you start playing around with it.

Call the front desk, they will send somebody up with a pair of pliers who will simply pull the prong out. Everything else is an over reaction to a non event.

Letitride3c Mar 25, 2013 8:11 am

Resolving this isn't for all FT's - some of us are more technically inclined to deal with simple issues like this as DIY, especially when we are (soon, anyway - within the USA) equipped with our SAK or Leatherman (Coleman, in my case b/c it's economical) tools ... it has a small plier on mine that unfold, in addition to that small knife blade that's 1.6" long) Slip on a latex glove (from my travel pounch) for extra margin of safety (in case of reversed polarity, etc.) and do a simple extraction, and, pronto- it's out of that socket and the outlet is rendered safe again. More importantly, useful again as I usually only look for an available outlet when I'm ready to setup my portable office/command with all the gadgets ...

As others said, I concur that whoever left the loose/broken/missing piece of the plug blade behind might not even realized it's gone. It's a different and more serious story if the smoke detector has been disabled or blocked/tampered with and/or the lamp/switch sparked as you try to turn it on.

Otherwise, a simple in-house call to reception or direct to housekeeping, depending on the property would suffice - afterall, if the toilet clogged and it began to overflow - then, it's beyond my means (aside from "throwing the towels" in to try to soak it up ...) Now, that's more grounds for requesting a premium upgrade/room change to the executive suite and/or a free night, etc. etc. ;) :D

Well, :rolleyes: - I suppose this ought to be reported / written up in Tripadvisor with the pix upload, as a reliable review and commented by OP :o

Back to figuring out this weather and flight cancellation deal this morning - 1" to 2" of wet snow & rain being the latest forecast.

TMOliver Mar 25, 2013 8:48 am

I'm Shocked!!!
Were this the most hazardous electrical condition I've seen in hotels in recent years, even some of the high-end sort, I might share the OP's perspective. It ain't, and likely won't be in visits to come

Like the sensible here, a quick call to the desk for maintenance would be my first reaction (unless I was traveling with checked baggage and the little Leatherman which stays in the zipped pocket therein - while I might worry a bit were I forced to stand in a pool of water to pull out the prong, under normal conditions, doing so is about as risky as the likelihood that the next elevator I catch will suffer an uncontrolled descent into terrain).

The real story here are the potential travails awaiting the guy/gal whose plug separated upon removal and didn't notice the catastrophe, moved on to the next night at another hotel, only to find some hitherto necessary small appliance or electronic device to be non-functional.

Why it might even be sabotage, some poor lad, confined for life in a Chinese penal colony keeping rice in the bowls of the incarcerated with a contract to fabricate plugs, who revolts against the system, unable to assemble non-functioning bomb or shell fuses (as in the tales of WWII slave laborers), so taking out his anguish by assembling faulty plugs.

EzzerBKK Mar 25, 2013 9:41 am

Unsafe electrical socket in hotel room
 
Being someone who opens hotels, I would say this is nothing comparing to what you don't see! And it's mostly the contractors....

In this case obviously the hotel need to be more vigilant but you are aware that unless the housekeeping team reports these things to the engineering team, they don't get done. That is, with a huge assumption that whoever did the cleaning would have noted such a thing or even know it to be an error.

realjd Mar 25, 2013 10:48 am

Since you're asking FT for electrical advice, it's safe to assume the issue didn't occur at a Holiday Inn Express.

Loren Pechtel Mar 25, 2013 2:16 pm

Call the desk, get maintenance out to remove it.

While I'm something of a DIY type and would have no qualms about dealing with this at home I would leave it for their guy in a hotel as I have neither the meter to test if it's hot (it *SHOULD* be neutral. I've seen too many miswired things, though...) nor the insulated pliers to not worry about it.

The hotel is not to blame here, it's unlikely this would be noticed.

Unlike some of the other posters I don't think this was from someone deliberately yanking out the cord. I think it's more likely they caught the cord by accident and inadvertently yanked it.

fairviewroad Mar 25, 2013 2:21 pm

How does everyone know it's the neutral side? An honest question...I'm not doubting the veracity...not counting the miswiring possibility...but what is the "clue" here? Thanks.

gfunkdave Mar 25, 2013 2:26 pm


Originally Posted by fairviewroad (Post 20480890)
How does everyone know it's the neutral side? An honest question...I'm not doubting the veracity...not counting the miswiring possibility...but what is the "clue" here? Thanks.

The wider flat prong is the neutral. On a grounded outlet, it's also the bottom prong if the grounding prong is on the right.

More info than you ever wanted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector#NEMA_5

mbstone Mar 25, 2013 6:43 pm


Originally Posted by gfunkdave (Post 20480915)
The wider flat prong is the neutral. On a grounded outlet, it's also the bottom prong if the grounding prong is on the right.

More info than you ever wanted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector#NEMA_5

Since when are they NEMA connectors? I thought they were called Edison connectors.

And I wouldn't trust any hotel anywhere to wire them correctly.


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